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Old 12-03-2004, 11:12 AM
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That would have been hilarious.

And how crazy was Ivana for going off on Jen in the boardroom last night, when Jen wasn't even there. I think Ivana has significant "fembot" issues -- perhaps she is intimidated by Jen's hotness.
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Old 12-03-2004, 01:31 PM
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OK I missed all of last night's episode except for the 2nd part of the boardroom -- why did Ivana drop her pants??? Was their task stripping or something?
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Old 12-03-2004, 01:41 PM
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OK I missed all of last night's episode except for the 2nd part of the boardroom -- why did Ivana drop her pants??? Was their task stripping or something?
Nope... A poorly-executed and very unprofessional ploy to try to drum up sales down in Wall Street. Carolyn was NOT pleased with that stunt.
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Old 12-03-2004, 02:12 PM
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I knew Ivana was gone the second she dropped her pants.
I agree...I started cringing when Ivana started debasing herself like that, and I knew that Trump wouldn't be impressed either. Carolyn....well, I knew what she would think right away!

I also agree that Ivana was intimidated by Jen's hotness...yeah, the truth hurts sometimes.

I hope that Sandy gives Kelly a run for his money. She, like Bill Rancic, started her own business and I would love to see her surprise them all! She's kind of become a late favorite for me.
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Old 12-03-2004, 04:05 PM
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Down to the final 4: Jen, Sandy, Kelly, and Kevin.

Last night's episode was really good. My favorite line was Carolyn saying to Ivana, "You weren't really selling candy bars, were you?" Of course, Ivana had no response. I knew she was gone the second she dropped her pants. If she hadn't, Kevin may have left since he screwed up when it came to pricing. Ivana wanted so badly to beat Jen that she was willing to sell herself.
Carolyn had me CTHU - she ripped into Ivana in the boardroom. There was no way that Ivanna could justify stripping down to her underwear. I'm so glad that she's finally gone.
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Old 12-04-2004, 01:52 PM
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Well she ( Ivana) should be intimidated by jenn because Ivana looks like a ugly bone thin runt dog ......I am sure glad she was fired .......i liked her up til lat night. that stunt she pulled was un called for and un professional ....gimmick or no gimmick...... and right on to Carolyn! she rocks!


Ivana lost it in the board room and the reaction on trumps face when she went off on jen was priceless and carolyn putting her in her place for the "LOOK" referral to george....best one i sen so far.

As for Kevin selling at a diff price... someone needed to step up and make a decision because ivana was too hell bent on beating jen that he had no other way but to lower it to unload the candy since her vision was off being pm and only on revenge
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As much as I can't stand Jen, you have to admit that the better team won this week. Yeah, so what if they used sex appeal as their marketing tool...the M&M twin idea worked for them because they're two attractive women.

I'm sorry Ivana, if you're going to drop trou, make sure you don't have ugly granny undies on for all of Wall Street and the world to see. You actually want to SELL the chocolate, remember?

I don't think Jen's going to last after this week. I have a feeling it'll be a Sandy vs. Kelly finale.
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Old 12-05-2004, 03:54 PM
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Well she ( Ivana) should be intimidated by jenn because Ivana looks like a ugly bone thin runt dog ......I am sure glad she was fired .......i liked her up til lat night. that stunt she pulled was un called for and un professional ....gimmick or no gimmick...... and right on to Carolyn! she rocks!


Ivana lost it in the board room and the reaction on trumps face when she went off on jen was priceless and carolyn putting her in her place for the "LOOK" referral to george....best one i sen so far.

As for Kevin selling at a diff price... someone needed to step up and make a decision because ivana was too hell bent on beating jen that he had no other way but to lower it to unload the candy since her vision was off being pm and only on revenge
I agree... I think Carolyn is by far my favorite... her looks are priceless
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Old 12-06-2004, 11:16 AM
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Apprentice Statistics - Season 2

As with last year, I am posting the Apprentice 2 statistics, courtesy of Anemic Dog @ Fansofrealitytv.com:

Note: includes comparison with last year's Final Four stats:

(Team Selection - Mosaic has nine men, Apex has nine women, Bradford volunteers to switch teams and lead the women, Pamela to switch and lead the men)

1. Mattel Toys

Win: Apex (BRADFORD, Ivana, Stacie J., Stacy R., Maria, Jennifer C., Jen M., Elizabeth, Sandy) judgment call.
Loss: Mosaic (PAMELA, Kelly, Kevin, Raj, Chris, John, Wes, Andy, Rob).
In Boardroom: PAMELA, Andy, Rob.
Eliminated: Rob.
MVP: Bradford, for realizing that the task was just to stop yapping at each other and let the designers make the suggestions.
Reward: Shrimp Cocktail at Trump's Apartment.


2. Ice Cream Sales

Win: Mosaic (KELLY, Kevin, Raj, Chris, John, Wes, Andy, Pamela) ~$2,700.
Loss: Apex (IVANA, Stacie, Stacy, Jennifer, Jen, Maria, Elizabeth, Sandy, Bradford) ~$2,470.
In Boardroom: IVANA, Jennifer C., Stacie J., Bradford.
Elminated: Bradford.
MVP: Kevin, for coming up with the idea to include a charity in the sales pitch.
Reward: An awful lot of very expensive caviar (didn't we see this on Amazing Race?).


3. Toothpaste Product Buzz

Win: Mosaic (KEVIN, Kelly, Raj, Chris, John, Wes, Andy, Pamela) decision
based on Apex going over budget.
Loss: Apex (ELIZABETH, Ivana, Stacie, Stacy, Jennifer, Jen, Maria, Sandy).
In Boardroom: ELIZABETH, Maria, Stacie J.
Eliminated: Stacie J.
MVP: None - Mosaic would have lost without the budget error.
Reward: Dinner on a yacht.


4. Restaurant Management

Win: Mosaic (RAJ, Kevin, Kelly, Chris, John, Wes, Andy, Pamela) Zagat score
of 61.
Loss: Apex (JENNIFER C., Elizabeth, Ivana, Stacy, Jen, Maria, Sandy) 57.
In Boardroom: JENNIFER C., Elizabeth, Stacy R.
Eliminated: JENNIFER C.
MVP: John, for his creative decor and willingness to flirt with men.
Reward: Meeting with Rudy Giuliani.


(Team selection - Pamela heads over to Apex)

5. QVC Sales

Win: Mosaic (CHRIS, Kevin, Kelly, John, Wes, Andy, Raj) $17,955.
Loss: Apex (PAMELA, Elizabeth, Ivana, Stacy, Jen M., Maria, Sandy) $17,944.
In Boardroom: PAMELA, Stacy, Maria.
Eliminated: PAMELA.
MVP: Kelly, for leadership on the pricing decision.
Reward: Watching Raj get humiliated by Anna Kournikova.


6. Fashion Show

Win: Apex (MARIA, Elizabeth, Ivana, Stacy, Jen, Sandy) ~$22,000.
Loss: Mosaic (JOHN, Kevin, Kelly, Wes, Andy, Raj, Chris) ~$7,700.
In Boardroom: JOHN, Kevin, Andy.
Eliminated: JOHN.
MVP: Trump, for choosing an absurd challenge for a group of straight men.
Reward: A party with Cirque du Soleil.


(Team selection - team leaders assign three to the other team)

7. Doggie Services

Win: Apex (JEN, Elizabeth, Ivana, Raj, Kevin, Chris) $377.
Loss: Mosaic (WES, Andy, Kelly, Sandy, Maria, Stacy) $122.
In Boardroom: WES, Andy, Stacy.
Eliminated: Stacy R.
MVP: Jen, for leadership and excellent toenail clipping skills.
Reward: Shaking paws with Michael Bloomberg.


8. Recruiting for NYPD

Win: Mosaic (ANDY, Sandy, Kelly, Maria, Wes) judgment call.
Loss: Apex (ELIZABETH, Chris, Ivana, Raj, Jen, Kevin).
In Boardroom: There was no final boardroom.
Eliminated: ELIZABETH.
MVP: Andy, for exceptional leadership in front of a team determined to screw
up the task (intentionally, I think).
Reward: Seeing the commercial on a Times Square billboard.


9. Remodelling Homes

Win: Mosaic (SANDY, Andy, Kelly, Maria, Wes) ~+10%.
Loss: Apex (RAJ, Ivana, Chris, Jen, Kevin) ~+7%.
In Boardroom: RAJ, Ivana, Kevin.
Eliminated: RAJ.
MVP: Sandy, for having the sense to go along with the contractors who
magically appeared when desperately needed.
Reward: A helicopter ride to the Hamptons.


10. Wedding Shop Sales

Win: Mosaic (KELLY, Sandy, Andy, Maria, Wes) ~$12,800.
Loss: Apex (CHRIS, Ivana, Jen, Kevin) ~$1,000.
In Boardroom: CHRIS, Ivana, Kevin.
Eliminated: CHRIS.
MVP: Sandy, for her expertise in marketing to brides.
Reward: $1,000 in jewelry.


(Team selection - Kelly banished to Apex)

11. Levi's In-Store Promotion

Win: Apex (KEVIN, Kelly, Ivana, Jen) judgment call.
Loss: Mosaic (WES, Maria, Sandy, Andy).
In Boardroom: WES, Maria, Sandy, Andy.
Eliminated: WES, Maria.
MVP: Ivana, for coming up with the winning concept.
Punishment: Having to listen to Billy Joel sing and pontificate.


(Team selection - Jen banished to Mosaic)

12. Pepsi Bottle Promotion

Win: Apex (KELLY, Ivana, Kevin) judgment call.
Loss: Mosaic (ANDY, Sandy, Jen).
In Boardroom: ANDY, Sandy, Jen.
Eliminated: ANDY.
MVP: Kelly, for leadership in bottle design.
Reward: Driving Lamborghinis around a race track.


13. M&Ms Chocolate Bar Sales

Win: Mosaic (SANDY, Jen).
Loss: Apex (IVANA, Kelly, Kevin).
In Boardroom: IVANA, Kelly, Kevin.
Eliminated: IVANA.
MVP: Jen, for coming up with the idea to sell chocolate dressed as twin
blonde sex kittens).
Reward: A trip to Chicago to look at hot tubs with Bill Rancic.


The Numbers

Leaders were eliminated nine times in 13 boardrooms, including the last six
and nine of the last ten.
Women were 4-7 as leaders, men 9-6, including 5-0 until the great fashion
show debacle which led to the rechoosing of teams.


On the Winning Team

Kelly 9-4, 69%
John 4-2, 67%
Wes 7-4, 64%
Pamela 3-2, 60%
Andy 7-5, 58%
Raj 5-4, 56%
Kevin 7-6, 54%
Chris 5-5, 50%
Bradford 1-1, 50%
Sandy 6-7, 46%
Maria 5-6, 45%
Ivana 5-8, 38%
Jen M. 5-8, 38%
Elizabeth 3-5, 38%
Stacie J. 1-2, 33%
Stacy R. 2-5, 29%
Jennifer C. 1-3, 25%
Rob 0-1, 0%

Record of Final 4 Last Season

Amy 11-1, 92%
Bill 5-7, 42%
Nick 5-7, 42%
Kwame 3-9, 25%


Record as Leader

Kelly 3-0, 100%
Kevin 2-0, 100%
Sandy 2-0, 100%
Bradford 1-0, 100%
Jen M. 1-0, 100%
Maria 1-0, 100%
Andy 1-1, 50%
Chris 1-1, 50%
Raj 1-1, 50%
Jennifer C. 0-1, 0%
John 0-1, 0%
Elizabeth 0-2, 0%
Ivana 0-2, 0%
Pamela 0-2, 0%
Wes 0-2, 0%
(Stacie J., Stacy R. and Rob never led a team)

Leader Record of Final 4 Last Season

Nick 3-0, 100%
Bill 2-0, 100%
Amy 1-1, 50%
Kwame 1-2, 33%


Number of Times in Boardroom (at end of episode, not just as a member of a team)

Andy 5 (1 as leader, chosen 4 times in 4 opportunities)
Kevin 4 (chosen 4 times in 5 opportunities)
Ivana 4 (2 as leader, chosen 2 times in 5 opportunities)
Maria 3 (chosen 3 times in 5 opportunities)
Stacy R. 3 (chosen 3 times in 5 opportunities)
Elizabeth 3 (2 as leader, chosen 1 time in 3 opportunities)
Sandy 2 (chosen 2 times in 7 opportunities)
Stacie J. 2 (chosen 2 times in 2 opportunities)
Bradford 2 (1 as leader, chosen 1 time in 1 opportunity)
Jennifer C. 2 (1 as leader, chosen 1 time in 2 opportunities)
Wes 2 (2 as leader, chosen 0 times in 2 opportunities)
Pamela 2 (2 as leader, no opportunities to be chosen)
Jen M 1 (chosen 1 time in 7 opportunities)
Rob 1 (chosen 1 time in 1 opportunity)
Chris 1 (chosen 0 times in 2 opportunities)
Raj 1 (1 as leader, chosen 0 times in 2 opportunities)
John 1 (1 as leader)
Kelly 0 (chosen 0 times in 3 opportunities)

Final Boardroom Trips for Final 4 Last Season

Kwame 4 (2 as leader, chosen 2 times in 7 opportunities)
Nick 3 (chosen 3 times in 7 opportunities)
Bill 2 (chosen 2 times in 7 opportunities)
Amy 1 (1 as leader, no opportunities to be chosen)


Trump Survivals (number of times in final boardroom without being
eliminated)

Andy 4
Kevin 4
Ivana 3 (1 as leader)
Maria 2
Sandy 2
Stacy R. 2
Elizabeth 2 (1 as leader)
Jennifer C. 1
Jen M. 1
Stacie J. 1
Bradford 1 (1 as leader)
Wes 1 (1 as leader)
Pamela 1 (1 as leader)

Survivals of Final 4 Last Season

Kwame 4 (2 as leader)
Nick 3
Bill 2
Amy 1 (1 as leader)
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Old 12-06-2004, 11:19 AM
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Final Four candidate's odds of winning

Here are the Final Four candidate's odds of winning, courtesy of Anemic Dog @ fansofrealitytv.com:

Based on the numbers, here's my assessment of the final four:

There are two factors that Trump seems to value above all others when making his decisions. First, he likes people who win when they lead. Overall won-loss record doesn't matter so much, or Amy would have been in the final two last season.

The second factor is avoiding the final boardroom. It's okay to lose (Bill and Kwame were both 5-7 last season) as long as you win when you lead. But if people keep choosing you, it means you're not perceived (to Trump, at least) as a strong competitor.

So, here are my odds for winning right now:

Kevin: 10-1. The bottom line is that while Kevin has performed decently overall and won as a leader, he is unique among the finalists this year and last in that people keep picking him to go to the final boardroom. Kwame led in survivals last season because he lost a lot, but by and large people kept sending him back to the suite. Kevin doesn't have that magic. His wins as leader were not particularly impressive (the toothpaste promotion should have led to a loss), Maria's bizarre behavior led to his other win.

Sandy: 3-1. She has all the right numbers. She's won when she's led. She works very hard. She has spunk, and Trump is not like Lou Grant. He likes spunk. But when she leads, she delegates leadership. She lets everything happen and hopes for the best. Which, by and large, it has. She gets along with everyone, and only when cornered does she make her opinion known. She really will be a success in life, but I think she's a bit young to make the leadership impression necessary to win this game. She has flown under the radar, and done it well. Probably the most deserving of the nine women.

Jen M.: 2-1. She keeps skating by because she avoids taking the leadership role. Smart decision, considering Trump has fired the team leader nine times in the last ten weeks. She also is perceived by most (obviously it drives Ivana crazy) as a good, smart worker. Amy used this strategy very well last season, but ultimately, it fails to impress. I don't think she will interview well, while Sandy probably will. The only thing going for her is that she's very pretty and slightly more presentable than Sandy, and it's likely Trump wants a female winner. He may hire her over the objections of his advisors. That's her only chance, but it's quite a good one.

Kelly: 1-2. He has just creamed everyone in the competitions, the same way Amy did last season. But he has willingly taken the leadership reins and led well. He has avoided the final boardroom when losing. This week was his first trip, and it's not as if Ivana chose him to go. Plain and simple: he's earned the job. My only question is whether Trump will recognize it.

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Old 12-07-2004, 09:28 PM
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I would pick Kelly & Jen M. as the final two, although I'm not sure who would win. I think one of Jen's best qualities is that she doesn't get as emotional as the other women have been throughout the season - she's clearly there to prove herself as a successful businesswoman, and not to make friends and/or enemies. I think she presents herself so well that Trump will probably have a hard time not choosing her if she makes it to the final two.
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Old 12-08-2004, 11:31 AM
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Spoilers on TWoP and other sites are reporting that Jenn and Kelly are the final two based on reports from the events (a basketball and polo event) and some pictures that have been released.
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Old 12-09-2004, 12:24 PM
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I agree that it's likely Kelly and Jen will be the final two. Kelly SHOULD win, but I can't help but wonder if he's going to pick Jen anyway.
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I hope it's Kelly, too, since I think he's most deserving of the title. He's worked the hardest and has the most experience but I don't think Trump wants to choose another white male.
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Old 12-09-2004, 04:26 PM
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I agree that it's likely Kelly and Jen will be the final two.
I'm going to be somewhat surprised if Jen is in the final two, if for no other reason than Carolyn clearly is doubtful about her and thinks she has gone way too long under the radar. Whether that will keep her out of the final two I don't know, but last season Carolyn clearly loved Bill. Guess we'll find out tonight.

My opinion: the final two should be Kelly and Kevin, and Kelly should hear "You're hired."
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