Most chapters at Phi Beta Kappa schools

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Benzgirl

Bash me if you want, but what I will say was with good heart and naivety.

I was doing some research of the GLOs at my Alma Mater throughout the past 100 years. When it came to NPHCs, I found it difficult to trace. What I didn't realize was that they typically were not chapters of the university per se, but city-wide chapters.

Since I have had trouble tracking their presence at just one school, I can imagine how difficult it is tracking it over numerous schools.

BTW...if anyone can direct me where to find the information, please PM me.

This all depends on where you are. But if there are only citywide chapters, there are only citywide chapters. Sometimes there were chapters at a university but they were difficult to hold onto so instead there were core chapters or citywide chapters. You can find a way to access the initiates from your university and find out whether there was EVER a chapter at the school.

Sidebar:
However, most of the schools listed in the PBK post don't only have citywide chapters and if you can't find the chapters via the organization's websites you can find it via the universities' websites. Am I the only person who finds social GLO chapters and PBK chapters listed on university/college websites these days?

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Benzgirl

Bash me if you want, but what I will say was with good heart and naivety.

I was doing some research of the GLOs at my Alma Mater throughout the past 100 years. When it came to NPHCs, I found it difficult to trace. What I didn't realize was that they typically were not chapters of the university per se, but city-wide chapters.

Since I have had trouble tracking their presence at just one school, I can imagine how difficult it is tracking it over numerous schools.

BTW...if anyone can direct me where to find the information, please PM me.

Just for the record, the vast majority of DST's chapters are campus-based. And even when they are city-wide they are registered as a student org at a least one of the colleges/universities, so they are able to book meeting rooms, etc. For example, the Twin Cities city-wide chapter is registered at the U of MN and even does their financial transactions through the U.

You also may be confusing city-wide with core chapters, where a chapter is campus-based, but has permission from the school to include other nearby schools.

But very honestly, let's be real here. The issue for us NPHCers is that when lists like this are compiled including us (or other GLOs of color) doesn't even cross the poster's mind. That is not to say that poster is a bad person it's just the reality we as people of color face in everyday life. Unless inclusion is pointed out, we will continue to be ignored. And that is frustrating.

And the excuses given here are no different than in the workplace, when a hiring manager says I tried to find a candidate of color, but none came forward. My response is did you do your research as to what publications, etc. a person of color is more likely to read and see the job posting?

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

However, most of the schools listed in the PBK post don't only have citywide chapters and if you can't find the chapters via the organization's websites you can find it via the universities' websites. Am I the only person who finds social GLO chapters and PBK chapters listed on university/college websites these days?

Doing this kind of thing using each school's website seems a LOT easier than trying to correlate massive chapter listings for each organization ...

[starang21]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

No.

Hewwo.

hi.

come over.

[SWTXBelle]

I too appreciate oldu's research. Please, oldu, continue to post interesting facts and figures.

It seems that the solution to the bad feelings that have arisen is for him to a.) specify which type (i.e. NPC) of GLOs he is discussing in the thread title and b.) present his research independent of his analysis (i.e., that PBK = elite university = smarter members). This is not to say that anyone's analysis (including his) would not be part of the ensuing discussion - but to first present the facts, and then talk about what it means.

As an aside, he may simply not feel compelled to research GLOs with which he is not as personally familiar. While of course not a member of a NPC, the fact is that NPC groups are very similiar to IFC (and the various alphabet soup governing bodies ) fraternities.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

While of course not a member of a NPC, the fact is that NPC groups are very similiar to IFC (and the various alphabet soup governing bodies ) fraternities.

How so?

[SWTXBelle]

They usually exist as sort of parallel groups - their histories have been intertwined, they do social and philanthropic things together, they are run on the international/national level in similiar ways. There are differences, of course,(in recruitment, for example) but NPC sororities and for lack of a better overall term the HWfraternities have a great deal in common. That's all I meant.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

They usually exist as sort of parallel groups - their histories have been intertwined, they do social and philanthropic things together, they are run on the international/national level in similiar ways. There are differences, of course,(in recruitment, for example) but NPC sororities and for lack of a better overall term the HWfraternities have a great deal in common. That's all I meant.

Very interesting.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

But very honestly, let's be real here. The issue for us NPHCers is that when lists like this are compiled including us (or other GLOs of color) doesn't even cross the poster's mind. That is not to say that poster is a bad person it's just the reality we as people of color face in everyday life. Unless inclusion is pointed out, we will continue to be ignored. And that is frustrating.

And it isn't the first time we've said this in a thread. This is just the first time that it has gotten a response from someone other than 33girl (and, I think, MyticCat).

[SWTXBelle]

Do you think that it might just be that the poster is not that familiar with historically BGLOs? A variation of "stay in your lane"?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

Doing this kind of thing using each school's website seems a LOT easier than trying to correlate massive chapter listings for each organization ...

Yeah, as someone posted, the PBK website lists its chapters.

From there, I found that Cornell University's website isn't elusive with this info. And...wow it even categorizes the orgs by IFC, Panhellenic Association, and MCG Council:

http://www.greeks.cornell.edu/fslist.php

Some sites may be more difficult to navigate but most won't be. And that just means you'll have to fill in the blanks after you access the easily found info. Those who like doing this stuff can have a field day, which can include NPHC (and MCGLO orgs, even if these orgs tend to be younger and smaller).

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Do you think that it might just be that the poster is not that familiar with historically BGLOs? A variation of "stay in your lane"?

He's familiar enough to announce that he couldn't find a comprehensive list of NPHC chapters.

Enough of the excuses.

[SWTXBelle]

Not an excuse - I don't think he needs an "excuse". If he doesn't want to do NPHC groups, I don't think he has to, although I do agree that he should label the thread so he doesn't raise expectations that the thread will be comprehensive.

I just wondered if that could be a reason - I like to do research on NPC orgs, and in fact am working on a book. While I could certainly do the same with NPHC, since I am not personally familiar with the groups on any but a second-hand basis I would not do it because I would be afraid of missing an important component of the subjective aspects. It's not that I don't think it's important - quite the contrary. I think it is so important that it needs to addressed by someone who understands them on both an objective and an emotional level.

That said, I'm sorry that so many feel ignored by this and other threads. One thing I really value about GC is the opportunity to learn about all the BGLOs and the newer multi-culturalGLOs. I've lead a sheltered life from a Greek perspective, and I'm glad to have the chance to hear from actives and alumni of groups with which I've had no personal experience.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

If he doesn't want to do NPHC groups, I don't think he has to....

DUH?

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

although I do agree that he should label the thread so he doesn't raise expectations that the thread will be comprehensive.

Right and The End.

[NutBrnHair]

Let's just say that the NPC & NIC groups are more similar in that all of us include a listing of collegiate chapters on our websites.