What do you think of this Kerry news?

[The1calledTKE]

Funny how only only certain net sites are reporting all this. Very little has been said about any of this in the news or the major news sites. Neal Boortz is like Al Franken or Michael Moore and only certain people will take what they say or report as gosspil. Even if it does turn out he did cheat on his wife ; in this day in age would that stop him from getting elected? What does this mean Republicans won't vote for Kerry? They weren't going to anyways. Like I said before what hurt Clinton was lieing under oath. Thats what he was impeached for, not getting oral from Monica.

I think after all that, if he did cheat on his wife he would have already admitted it. He knows if it was true it would be proven before Nov 7. He could do alot of damage control by then if he admitted it now if he had done it.

And if the Democratic party knew of this back in 2000, I doubt Kerry would have tried to run in 2004 because the party would have not wanted him to. He is a party man and would probably go by what they suggest.

Wasn't it reported Kerry's so called mistress was in Europe not Africa? She seems to be exploring the world. I wouln't be suprized if this all ends up on an urban legend site.

Dean will never get the nod for presidental canidate. Republicans would love that since Dubya would kill him in an election. Edwards would be the choice I am sure if this all turned out to be true, which is fine with me because he would beat Bush in current polls just like Kerry just by not as much.

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by madmax
No, it doesn't worry me. He is usually accurate isn't he?

I would say sometimes.

[DeltAlum]

Just took a quick sweep of the media that Drudge said would break the story.

Nothing.

And this is the kind of story that newspapers LOVE to give lots of pages to in their Sunday editions.

So, I suppose it's possible that "they" are waiting until Kerry wraps up the nomination and will then "break" the story in order to discredit Kerry and throw the Democrats into turmoil.

But wait, does that mean that the "liberal" media is in bed with the Republicans and are willing to sit on this scoop. Or is someone in the Dean (or other) camp, or the Republican hiding the proof until a later time?

Come on.

If the story hasn't been published yet, it's because the news organizations have no proof -- or at least haven't found enough yet. News organizations aren't good at holding this kind of story. They're too afraid someone else will find and publish it.

As I recall, one of the early Drudge reports says that a former campaign worker has been "shopping" this story around for months.

It isn't impossible that this is true. But I'm not putting any faith into it until I see some proof, reported by a reputable news organization. Even Fox.

[AlphaGamDiva]

i have hang-ups about "monica" comments.......i still get harrassed about that isht. yes, my name is monica...but i am in NO WAY related to ms. lewinsky.

thanks for playing, please drive through.

and it's more than just a lying thing with these "sex scandals" or whatever....it shows a person's character. that's important to me. like, if ya can't even fulfill promises to your wife, who's to say you can fulfill your promises to your country? it may be a little steep, but it does irk me.

and from a republican to all you dems out there in gc land, i honestly hope this is not the case with kerry. i would like to see a debate about the issues, not one's sex life.

[The1calledTKE]

Originally posted by AlphaGamDiva
and from a republican to all you dems out there in gc land, i honestly hope this is not the case with kerry. i would like to see a debate about the issues, not one's sex life.

Amen Mon

[madmax]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
I would say sometimes.

What stories did he get wrong?
Did he make up sources like the New York Times writer?
Did he ever plant exposives under a car to prove the car wasn't safe like Dateline NBC did a few years ago?


I think most media outlets are just jealous of Drudge. Most media members are snobs and they all think they are the best. They look down at other outlets. Print looks down at TV. TV looks down at radio and at the bottom is the intenet and Matt Drudge.

It is ironic that members of the media badmouth Drudge but then they go on and use him as a source. What does that say about them?

[madmax]

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Originally posted by AlphaGamDiva
and from a republican to all you dems out there in gc land, i honestly hope this is not the case with kerry. i would like to see a debate about the issues, not one's sex life.
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Amen Mon


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Originally posted by The1calledTKE
Amen Mon

Well then maybe the Dems should practice what they preach. Who released this story in the first place? It was probably releaced by one of Kerry's Democratic opponants. I didn't hear Kerry complaining when one of his supporters was running Dean attack ads in Iowa.

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by madmax
It is ironic that members of the media badmouth Drudge but then they go on and use him as a source. What does that say about them?

Uh...read back. That was my point. He is known (probably likes the title -- in any event, not my words) as a gossip columnist.

Here's my original quote:

"Does it worry anyone that publications and broadcasters, people who are supposed to be legitimate journalists, are running parts of this story using as attribution, "Matt Drudge, an internet gossip columnist?"

What kind of source is that?"

Whether he's right in this case (in the end) or not, he is reporting rumors. Hardly the credible source I would quote.

But wait, you say, who says they're rumors? Well, he reported when and who were going to break the story -- and it didn't happen.

Right?

[DeltAlum]

Interesting Newsweek article on the two candidates military careers:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4271520/

[DeltAlum]

Great news for "rumor" fans.

I checked the Boston Globe, Newsweek, NBC, CBS, ABC, FoxNews, CNN, Time, The Washington Post, NY Post and a few others and:

I finally found a mention of a possible "affair" in the NY Daily News.

You have to look hard, so I added bold type.

Way down at the bottom, it mentions a "rumor..."

It is in an article called:

Dirtiest election campaign ever?



By THOMAS M. DeFRANK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF


John Kerry on the election trail.


President Bush

WASHINGTON - It's ugly, early.
With 37 weeks left until the balloting, the battle for the White House is already awash in the kind of character assassination and bare-knuckled innuendo usually reserved for the closing days.

"It's meaner, sooner, and it's going to be meaner, longer," says Thomas DiBacco, an American University professor emeritus and author of a popular U.S. history textbook.

Why the premature nastiness?

Several operatives from both parties and political historians agreed that deep emotional divisions in an unusually polarized electorate are largely to blame.

The intensity of the personal antipathy toward Bush by many Democrats is matched by deep-seated animosity toward Kerry and his liberal voting record by Bush's conservative backers.

Fordham political science Prof. Thomas De Luca noted that such personal demonization of candidates has been getting worse for at least a decade.

"There's been a tendency to judge the agenda of a candidate by his moral propriety," De Luca said. "If Bill Clinton was [allegedly] evil because some of the things he did, then his policy agenda must also be evil. That kind of attitude creates even more intensity."

Already in this campaign, Bush has been accused by Democratic Party chief Terry McAuliffe of going AWOL from his National Guard duties in the 1970s - a felony - and Kerry is the target of rumors about alleged extramarital encounters.

Democrats also have charged Bush with lying to the country about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, and Vice President Cheney with jawboning CIA analysts to doctor intelligence estimates to justify the Iraq war.

Firing back in kind, Republican national chairman Ed Gillespie complained in a Nevada speech:

"It's only February, and [the Democrats] have made clear they intend to run the dirtiest campaign in modern presidential politics."

Simultaneously, the Bush-Cheney campaign E-mailed 6 million supporters a Web video slashing Kerry as a tool of special interests. The video is titled "Unprincipled, Chapter 1."

Not to be outdone, a DNC spokesman trashed the video, noting: "George Bush has taken more special interest money than any person in history. He couldn't even put this ad on television, because he knows he can't appear in it to back it up."

White House press secretary Scott McClellan, meanwhile, has angrily accused Democrats and reporters of "gutter politics" and "trolling for trash" by pressing for answers on Bush's military service.

There's little doubt the scorched-earth rhetoric will only get worse as Nov. 2 approaches. Both parties have spent millions of dollars on opposition research, and as one expert in such black arts said, "You save your best stuff for later, when people are paying attention and it has more impact."

DiBacco, for one, isn't concerned about more mudslinging: "Dirty politics is actually good, because it puts the candidates to the test and gives people a chance to see their character."

And of course, it's nothing new. Some of America's political paragons regarded smear tactics as just part of the price of doing business.

"If I were to try to read, much less answer, all the attacks made on me, this shop might as well be closed for any other business," Abraham Lincoln once wrote after a barrage of attacks.


The mudslingers' guide

Kerry

- Accused of being 'tool of special interests'

- Target of rumors about an extramarital affair

- Relentless criticism of his liberal voting record


Bush

- Accused of going AWOL from National Guard duties

- Accused of lying over Iraqi weapons of mass destruction

- Accused of taking special interest money

Originally published on February 15, 2004


Look, friends. It may well be that Kerry had this affair. And maybe some news organization will publish the "proof."

What drives me crazy is when folks look at a self proclaimed right or left wing secondary media and decide it must be the truth. They see something the want to believe, and suddenly, it's Gospel. These guys have their own agenda, and it's just nuts to believe everything they say.

[DeltAlum]

Today, Drudge reports that a TV station (I suspect he means network), has the story and wants to broadcast it, but can't find proof!

Duh.

That's why it's a rumor and will remain so until someone finds said proof!

[moe.ron]

Statement from woman and parents about rumors linking her to Sen. John Kerry
The Associated Press
Monday, February 16, 2004
©2004 Associated Press

URL: sfgate.com/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/02/16/politics1300EST0543.DTL


(02-16) 10:00 PST (AP) --

A statement released Monday by Alexandra Polier, who has been the subject of rumors linking her to Sen. John Kerry:

"For the last several days I have seen Internet and tabloid rumors relating to me and Senator John Kerry. Because these stories were false, I assumed the media would ignore them. It seems that efforts to peddle these lies continue, so I feel compelled to address them. I have never had a relationship with Senator Kerry, and the rumors in the press are completely false. Whoever is spreading these rumors and allegations does not know me, but should know the pain they have caused me and my family. I am in Kenya with my fiance visiting his family, and we ask that the press respect our privacy and leave all of us alone."


A statement by Terry and Donna Polier, the parents of Alexandra Polier:

"We have spoken to our daughter and the allegations that have been made regarding her are completely false and unsubstantiated. We love and support her 100 percent and these unfounded rumors are hurtful to our entire family. We appreciate the way Senator Kerry has handled the situation, and intend on voting for him for president of the United States."

©2004 Associated Press

[Angels&Arrows]

The family's press release is interesting... though her father was quoted saying that Kerry had pursued his daughter unsuccussfully and that he was a ?dirtball? or something to that effect. Who in the world knows if it is true or not.. and as long as she and he deny it.... noone will ever know, unless someone has photos, or written material to prove it!

[DeltAlum]

This gets back to the whole rumors thing again, though. By whom was he quoted? I think it's another "rumor" publication. If her dad really thinks Kerry is a scumbucket, why would the parents comment at all -- and particularly say that they will vote for him.

This stinks.

[AGDee]

I feel for this woman who has attained her 15 minutes of fame in a very disturbing way... being falsely accused of adultery. In one article I read, she said the media was camped out where she was staying in Africa.