Strom Thurmond Dies at 100:Only 9 members of Capitol HIll attend funeral

[iceandivy]

I know who the person was referring to.

But.....

"*The following is not directed only to AlphaGamDiva, but to everyone who crosses the tracks to come read this, LOL.*"

Made me feel compelled to respond. I didn't cross any tracks... but I read it. I don't understand how people who are inherently not perfect can be so judgemental... that's all.

[Bamboozled]

Originally posted by RedefinedDiva
IceandIvy, Bamboozled wasn't referring to you. She was talking to AlphaGamDiva. Her post was also referring to the Strom Thurmond thread over in Chit Chat.

Thanks for always having my back, RD! I'm not even going to exert energy conjuring up a response. Everyone who needs to be in the know, already is. Catty? Tactless? Bitter? Well, those are some of the nicer things I've been called as of late, so whatever, man, whatever.

[iceandivy]

Peace and Blessings.....

[AlphaGamDiva]

Originally posted by Bamboozled
You know I think you're addressing me specifically with the out of control comment, right? Maybe it's my vanity. I really do hate to beat a dead horse, but this concept is still beyond me. Why do you expect anyone to be a "tad more respectful" to someone they don't respect in the least bit? That is some hypocritical isht if I did hear it. Why did I not have the right to post my opinion about a man I loathed? Yes, even in his death, I still despise all that he stood for. It's as though people can't get it through their thick, ultra-conservative, pro-Dixie heads that there are people in this world who won't simply go along with popular opinion, *gasp*, and who won't so easily forgive and forget. Who cares that once you do that you will be accused of "attacking" (LMAO) people and be labeled as the angry black person? I surely don't.

*The following is not directed only to AlphaGamDiva, but to everyone who crosses the tracks to come read this, LOL.*

It must be such a great thing to be able to live in a world where your truth is the only reality that matters. Dammit, if you think Strom was a "Great American", then he must be. Hell, if I wasn't a black woman in this country and his actions didn't effect me personally, I probably would be singing right along with y'all: O, I wish I was in the land of cotton, Old times there are not forgotten, Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.

Also, I'm still LMAO that my "bad rubbish" post was deleted, but my "nigger" posts still stand in all their glory. I think someone over there is enjoying it a tad too much, LOL. Anyway, it was fun venturing over to Chit-Chat, but I'm now going to chill out over here for a minute. But, thanks for the wake up call.

actually, i wasn't referring to you at all in my post.....not to damage any ego's or anything , but i was just stating an "in general" type of thing.

as far as my "tad more respectful" comment....whoa, i didn't mean it as all bow down and show their respect and love or strom.....it was more of a "let's play nice with other kids on the playground" type of respect. when it comes down to someone, ANYone passing away, i tend to follow the wishes of those who are saddened by the event. if someone wants to be upset about hitler's (here we go with hitler again, but just lightly take it and go with it ) passing, then fine.....i will show that person enough courtesy to let them have their ignorant lil mourning session and not bug them about how he killed millions of jewish people and was a horrible person, and how Jesus was, in fact, a Jew. if i wanna bash hitler, i'll go somewhere else and do it...like you all have done here with strom (i apologize for invading, but i just wanted to make sure i was understood correctly over in chit-chat, and since i obviously was not, i'm glad i did).

i was not in any way trying to force ppl to mourn, or for ppl to show some kinda almighty homage to strom.....just trying to be courteous for the other ppl on this board who were only trying to show their respects to him....and in all honestly, i personally don't think that is something to get rowdy about. i'm sorry i came across in another way than what i had intended....and my apologies again for disrupting your board.

Originally posted by iceandivy
No one is in love with the man, but educated ladies can always get their points across without being tactless about the subject matter or about other opinions that are expressed as freely as their own.

To truly "loathe" or hate someone, you first have to really know them. I can't say that I hate him because I was not close enough to him to know him. People do things loathesome things in public and behind closed doors every minute of every day. Disrespectful things, hurtful things. That doesn't mean that basic respect, in life and death, is not due, whether or not you feel it is deserved.

We are not here to judge him or what he has or hasn't done. Where he is now, he is being judged. You don't know what he did on his death bed. He could have reconciled with his Creator by now, and be up in heaven when you get there... if you get there. I am not making that determination... God will. Good Luck, and I hope that if you do meet Strom in heaven that you won't harbor any ill feelings...

Have a wonderful, blessed (and God willing) less bitter day.

iceandivy....well said.

[Honeykiss1974]

I"*The following is not directed only to AlphaGamDiva, but to everyone who crosses the tracks to come read this, LOL.*"

I took this to mean folks who normally post on Chit Chat, but now "happen" to pop over here for the SOLE purpose to read/respond to this, but I digress....


It is perfectly fine for people to judge THE ACTIONS of someone. If what you did is wrong, its just wrong plain and simple. A lot of the things Strom did was not right, regardless as to his motives. And yes, he may have received forgiveness and salvation on his death bed, but just because we have done that, does not mean that we are absolved from the consequences of our past actions. Hence the strong feelings of some people here on GC.

As someone said earlier, I heart goes out to his family during their period of mourning, but I am not going to be weeping over his grave.

[allsmiles_22]

Originally posted by iceandivy
To truly "loathe" or hate someone, you first have to really know them. I can't say that I hate him because I was not close enough to him to know him. People do things loathesome things in public and behind closed doors every minute of every day. Disrespectful things, hurtful things. That doesn't mean that basic respect, in life and death, is not due, whether or not you feel it is deserved.

Faulty reasoning in my opinion. We "like" and "love" people all the time based on their actions/views without really knowing them, so why can't the opposite hold true?

Originally posted by iceandivy
No one is in love with the man, but educated ladies can always get their points across without being tactless about the subject matter or about other opinions that are expressed as freely as their own. Have a wonderful, blessed (and God willing) less bitter day.

What is really tacky is calling someone "catty" or "bitter" because they hold a contrary opinion to one's own. An educated lady would state her opinion, be open-minded by listening to the views of others and just agree to disagree if she still holds her stance.

[RedefinedDiva]

This is a great discussion. I know that I have said that before, but I feel that it is good to hear from all sides and perspectives. Some of us show our "convictions" in ways that others may see as "tactless" or wrong, but it's cool. That's what makes us different and makes for hearty discussions and debates. However, sometimes, we can't strike others down for their opinions. Some of us a little more harse with getting our point across. We still have to realize that this is a message board and we can not tell someone's tone simply by what they type...

AlphaGamDiva, don't feel like you are "disrupting" the board. I can on;y speak for myself because I like to hear your (and other) opinions. That helps me to deal with some of the issues that I have. Iceandivy, I also appreciate your opinion. It seems to go against the "popular" opinion of most on this board. Bamboozled, you know that I am gonna have your back! I will have most people's back around here because y'all are like my family. I'm ADDICTED to this place! I like how you say what you have to say REGARDLESS!

Carry on, ladies....

[iceandivy]

I stand by all my comments...

As my cousin would say... TACK... TACK... TACKY!!!!!
lol
That probably wasn't the right choice of words, but it has been the running joke (word of the day) with me and friends this week...

Anyhew...

I am a black woman, born in the North, of Carribean parents, raised in the south in an all white neighborhood, and educated from k-12 at a school CREATED to keep people like me out, and a graduate of an HBCU.

I know racism... I know it... I lived it... people who are from other places other than the south, cannot possibly understand what it is like. You may understand the You just can't. I've been called everything you can think of. Spit on. And I still have compassion for people.

My comments are not borne of what I read in the newspaper, or get out of some message board. I only comment on what I know intimately. I know Caribbean-American life. I know single motherhood. I know the South. I probably shouldn't be this way, but I rarely give credence to anyone's opinion if they have nothing more than someone else's opinion to back it up.

I am not putting down anyone's comments, really. I just think that when speaking about someone's actions, that is one thing, ("his politics were deplorable, "he made racist decisions) but when you say he was a bad person (evil, the devil incarnate, he should rot in hell, etc.) that isn't fair. You don't know him.

If people judged us solely on our actions, (we've all had too much to drink and made an @$$ of ourselves - bad decision, or been pissed at a boyfriend and talked about his mother - bad decision) what would the verdict be? That is the question of the day!
Any comments... anyone... anyone?

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by iceandivy

If people judged us solely on our actions, (we've all had too much to drink and made an @$$ of ourselves - bad decision, or been pissed at a boyfriend and talked about his mother - bad decision) what would the verdict be? That is the question of the day!
Any comments... anyone... anyone?

Me personally, my feeling haven't change. I'm still glad that old racist bag of bones is gone.

looking around to see if Jesse Helms is coughing

[iceandivy]

REading your signature, I wouldn't peg you as someone to rejoice in someone else's death - no matter who it is.... doesn't seem right.

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by iceandivy
REading your signature, I wouldn't peg you as someone to rejoice in someone else's death - no matter who it is.... doesn't seem right.

Are you serious or is this just a smart retort? And what makes you think I am REJOICING?

Again, this man's actions were not Christian like behavior. So I do rejoice when evil (or evil actions) are cast out. We as Christians are called to judge behavior that is not of God. i would think treating fellow human beings as animals would qualify as that. Please read my previous post for more info.

It is perfectly fine for people to judge THE ACTIONS of someone. If what you did is wrong, its just wrong plain and simple. A lot of the things Strom did was not right, regardless as to his motives. And yes, he may have received forgiveness and salvation on his death bed, but just because we have done that, does not mean that we are absolved from the consequences of our past actions. Hence the strong feelings of some people here on GC.

Sorry, Iceandivy, I will not apologize nor use a snappy because I don't agree with you. That's why they are called opinions.

[iceandivy]

Originally posted by allsmiles_22
Faulty reasoning in my opinion. We "like" and "love" people all the time based on their actions/views without really knowing them, so why can't the opposite hold true?



What is really tacky is calling someone "catty" or "bitter" because they hold a contrary opinion to one's own. An educated lady would state her opinion, be open-minded by listening to the views of others and just agree to disagree if she still holds her stance.

What is faulty is saying that because people are shallow enough to judge someone solely on their actions and what is seen, that it is okay, therefore, the converse is okay as well.

OH, and BTW, I didn't say anyone was catty or bitter because of their opinion. I meant that there is a way to say everything...

Like I said earlier...
"People do things loathesome things in public and behind closed doors every minute of every day. Disrespectful things, hurtful things. That doesn't mean that basic respect, in life and death, is not due, whether or not you feel it is deserved."

[iceandivy]

Serious...

You said, "glad he is gone." Do I think you are dancing in the streets in a sombrero and some tap shoes... ummmmmm... no.

I didn't ask for an apology. This is a forum... not the Care Bears Reunion Special. Everything isn't shiny and happy ally the time! It isn't about feelings, it is about opinions.

I am not questioning your Chrisitianity... I just said it didn't seem right. Don't get upset. It isn't that deep.

"retort" = SAT word alert!

I like seeing black people use new words... oops, I assumed you were black... I like seeing PEOPLE use new words. ** I am working on being politically correct.**

Please don't take anything I say personally, really.

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
Are you serious or is this just a smart retort? And what makes you think I am REJOICING?

Again, this man's actions were not Christian like behavior. So I do rejoice when evil (or evil actions) are cast out.


Sorry, Iceandivy, I will not apologize because I don't agree with you.

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by iceandivy
Serious...

You said, "glad he is gone." Do I think you are dancing in the streets in a sombrero and some tap shoes... ummmmmm... no.

I didn't ask for an apology. This is a forum... not the Care Bears Reunion Special. Everything isn't shiny and happy ally the time! It isn't about feelings, it is about opinions.

I am not questioning your Chrisitianity... I just said it didn't seem right. Don't get upset. It isn't that deep.

"retort" = SAT word alert!

I like seeing black people use new words... oops, I assumed you were black... I like seeing PEOPLE use new words. ** I am working on being politically correct.**

Please don't take anything I say personally, really.

If you consider responding to your posts as "taking things personally", then whatever

You asked and I gave. its as simple as that.

Isn't there a thread on here about post such as this quoted above? Shoot, what was it?

Now back to the dicussion...................

ETA: Sorry about the thread hijack everyone

[enlightenment06]

DING DING DING!!!

All everyone, back to your corners!

*GCer's go back to respective corners, spit out mouth guard and drink some water*

All right, now keep it clean, no ear biting!

Let's get it on!




Just thought the thread could use a lighter moment