Pentagon: 3 Months in Iraq Cost $14B - Page 7

delph998 · #91 12-15-2003, 05:19 PM

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Originally posted by Steeltrap
I suspect this capture = another four more years of Gorgie Dubya Boosh. And this comes from a registered non-partisan voter.

I KNOW! I am so perturbed about that!

AXEAM · #92 12-16-2003, 12:31 AM

I 'm so tired of the way this man's face is plastered all over the media being exploited for the Tyranical Bush regime. It's truly sad I and many others don't agree w/the way Bush stole the election of 2000 and I really disagree w/his policies so would it be o-kay if say China came over here and remove the Bush regime from power........like we did Saddam damn it's just not fair western aggression is alive and well. Reminds me of the western crusades.

FeeFee · #93 12-16-2003, 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by Wonderful1908
He's probably been captured, this administration probably was like yea right now let's suddenly "find him" . I predict we will probably fine Bin Laden around August or September about 2-3 months before the 2004 elections.

Ditto.

Can our soldiers come back home now???

Love_Spell_6 · #94 12-16-2003, 05:09 PM

I will say that absolutely love chatting with people who's viewpoints are so different from my own....

I can't believe the cynical thinking though...folx must really think President Bush is EVIL. GEEZ I give the man more credit than that.... waiting to "find" Saddam for a political move?? Do you really think something like that would never get out?? My skin crawls when I hear people say that Our President is as evil as Saddam.

I guess some people think I'm either naive or crazy because I really applaud the job MY President is doing and has done....and at the same time I think some people just love conspiracy theories, hate rich white men in power, and republicans

its a good thing we live in a country where we can all express such views

Wonderful1908 · #95 12-16-2003, 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
I will say that absolutely love chatting with people who's viewpoints are so different from my own....

I can't believe the cynical thinking though...folx must really think President Bush is EVIL. GEEZ I give the man more credit than that.... waiting to "find" Saddam for a political move?? Do you really think something like that would never get out?? My skin crawls when I hear people say that Our President is as evil as Saddam.

I guess some people think I'm either naive or crazy because I really applaud the job MY President is doing and has done....and at the same time I think some people just love conspiracy theories, hate rich white men in power, and republicans

its a good thing we live in a country where we can all express such views

LoveSpell I gotta give it too you you bring a sense of debate to this forum cause I am like whoaaa

AXEAM · #96 12-17-2003, 02:54 AM

Lovespell
Not only is he evil but dangerous as well...........................

Love_Spell_6 · #97 12-17-2003, 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by AXEAM
Lovespell
Not only is he evil but dangerous as well...........................

Oh... you must know him personally to make a statement with such confidence.

If you don't know him personally...I think your statement is more of an opinion than fact....that could result from partisan politics. It is a FACT that Saddam gassed his own people and tortured them. It is a FACT that he instructed the rape and brutalization of women in his country. That amounts to evil to me.... PLEASE show me documented proof where MY President has done something similar..so that I too can see his evil ways.

allsmiles_22 · #98 12-17-2003, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
It is a FACT that Saddam gassed his own people and tortured them. It is a FACT that he instructed the rape and brutalization of women in his country. That amounts to evil to me....

Instead of continuing the mission of getting Osama who devised a plan for his followers to come into the US, take OUR PLANES, use those planes as bombs against OUR BUILDINGS and successfully kill thousands of OUR PEOPLE, he decides to use the lives of our loved ones to settle a personal vendetta with Saddam because he hasn't done anything to US (proven from your facts above). If that's not EVIL, I don't know what is? While the US being big brother is a whole different topic, the fact is we could have addressed Saddam AFTER we took care of our own enemies.

So we capture Saddam and we give relief to Iraq. What relief has the US gotten from capturing Saddam? Note that the downfall of the economy was due to 9/11 and not the war in Iraq. What justice have we gotten for the pain and suffering from 9/11? Tax cuts??? Sorry, but more money in my portfolio doesn't erase the memories of all those people who died when those buildings collapsed. I would need for my President to capture the terrorist(s) who afflicted my country directly and maybe then he could get my respect. As conservative as I am, I'll leave the loving of the old, republican, rich white man with power to you sista. *that just sounds so nasty*

Setting aside that he's a Bush and political affiliations, the fact is he failed as our President. In his own words from (http://www.indystar.com/library/fact...pt11/bush.html)

"The search is under way for those who are behind these evil acts. I've directed the full resources for our intelligence and law enforcement communities to find those responsible and bring them to justice."

"Americans are asking, "How will we fight and win this war?... Now this war will not be like the war against Iraq a decade ago, with a decisive liberation of territory and a swift conclusion."
At the time who would have ever thought we'd be right back in Iraq?

"I have called our military into action, to hunt down the members of the al Qaeda organization who murdered innocent Americans...I am so proud of our military. Our military is pursuing its mission... We are deliberately and systematically hunting down these murderers, and we will bring them to justice."

He hasn't followed through on any of these statements. Bush is now in high spirits and in high regards with the American people as he was when he got elected. I just pray to God that history doesn't repeat itself and Osama doesn't do anything to bring the focus back to his agenda with the US while we are celebrating our "great victory".

Love_Spell_6 · #99 12-17-2003, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by allsmiles_22
Instead of continuing the mission of getting Osama who devised a plan for his followers to come into the US, take OUR PLANES, use those planes as bombs against OUR BUILDINGS and successfully kill thousands of OUR PEOPLE, he decides to use the lives of our loved ones to settle a personal vendetta with Saddam because he hasn't done anything to US (proven from your facts above). If that's not EVIL, I don't know what is? While the US being big brother is a whole different topic, the fact is we could have addressed Saddam AFTER we took care of our own enemies.

So we capture Saddam and we give relief to Iraq. What relief has the US gotten from capturing Saddam? Note that the downfall of the economy was due to 9/11 and not the war in Iraq. What justice have we gotten for the pain and suffering from 9/11? Tax cuts??? Sorry, but more money in my portfolio doesn't erase the memories of all those people who died when those buildings collapsed. I would need for my President to capture the terrorist(s) who afflicted my country directly and maybe then he could get my respect. As conservative as I am, I'll leave the loving of the old, republican, rich white man with power to you sista. *that just sounds so nasty*

Setting aside that he's a Bush and political affiliations, the fact is he failed as our President. In his own words from (http://www.indystar.com/library/fact...pt11/bush.html)

"The search is under way for those who are behind these evil acts. I've directed the full resources for our intelligence and law enforcement communities to find those responsible and bring them to justice."

"Americans are asking, "How will we fight and win this war?... Now this war will not be like the war against Iraq a decade ago, with a decisive liberation of territory and a swift conclusion."
At the time who would have ever thought we'd be right back in Iraq?

"I have called our military into action, to hunt down the members of the al Qaeda organization who murdered innocent Americans...I am so proud of our military. Our military is pursuing its mission... We are deliberately and systematically hunting down these murderers, and we will bring them to justice."

He hasn't followed through on any of these statements. Bush is now in high spirits and in high regards with the American people as he was when he got elected. I just pray to God that history doesn't repeat itself and Osama doesn't do anything to bring the focus back to his agenda with the US while we are celebrating our "great victory".

If Bush finds Bin Laden, cures cancer, AIDS and the flu....he'll still be EVIL to some people!

AXEAM · #**100** 12-17-2003, 05:30 PM

Lovespell first you must dispell all the myths and western brainwashing.

(1) Saddam killed his own people: The Kurds were a different ethnic group from Saddam who were encouraged and influenced by Bush1 to overthrow the Iraqi goverment after the first gulf war,what Saddam did was put down a revolt that was an agent against Iraq.Do you really believe we would have done any different. Since the Kurds were of a different race then Saddam image what would happen if say a large numbers of blacks recieved weapons from China and were encoraged to overthrow the America goverment?

(2) In America do we really have room to talk about somebody raping women......I mean really.

(3) Bush is dangerous b/c he lied to the American people about WMD being in Iraq thus causing the deaths of hundreds of young American troops and thousands of Iraqi people because of one mans pride and hate. Iraq couldn't defeat Iran in eight years w/the help of the America(did you know that) so how could they be a threat to the word community just lies,lies.

gotta go the boss just walked by I,ll finish this @home

Love_Spell_6 · #**101** 12-17-2003, 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by AXEAM
Lovespell first you must dispell all the myths and western brainwashing.

(1) Saddam killed his own people: The Kurds were a different ethnic group from Saddam who were encouraged and influenced by Bush1 to overthrow the Iraqi goverment after the first gulf war,what Saddam did was put down a revolt that was an agent against Iraq.Do you really believe we would have done any different. Since the Kurds were of a different race then Saddam image what would happen if say a large numbers of blacks recieved weapons from China and were encoraged to overthrow the America goverment?

(2) In America do we really have room to talk about somebody raping women......I mean really.

(3) Bush is dangerous b/c he lied to the American people about WMD being in Iraq thus causing the deaths of hundreds of young American troops and thousands of Iraqi people because of one mans pride and hate. Iraq couldn't defeat Iran in eight years w/the help of the America(did you know that) so how could they be a threat to the word community just lies,lies.

gotta go the boss just walked by I,ll finish this @home

First of all...just because we do not agree..does not mean I have brainwashed...

Second, I was addressing the point of comparing Saddam and Bush as being equally evil. I could post TONS of factual articles about how Saddam and his 2 sons terrorized the Iraqi people...but there's no point....when it comes to Dubya...it doesn't matter....he will still be hated. No matter what comes out linking Bin Laden/Hussein...some will still say this war was unjust! I mean they could be caught on tape collaborating and it still wouldn't matter!! I was not in the briefing room with the President and Colin Powell et al when the evidence was presented or discussed...and I suspect neither were you...so how can u say he lied about the WMD's? If/When they're found...what will u say??

Do you really believe there is absolutely NO connection between Al Queda and Hussein? have u ever heard the saying The enemy of my enemy is my friend??

I dont agree with everything Bush has done....or ANY President for that matter...but the "hate" for GWB (which probably stems from the election) sometimes clouds peoples perspectives of anything this administration does. The fact that you're comparing your Assumption that Bush lied with the terror that Saddam has caused....which thus means they're both equally evil.... leaves me in awe..

Lastly, I don't understand what u meant by saying women in the US get raped too. And as far as the men and women that are getting killed....uh....when you join the military...that is a risk you take. You can't receive all the benefits and set asides the government has to offer you....and then complain when you're called up for the highest duty. If you don't ever want to be sent to war....you may not want to join the military...its kinda in the job description.

I gotta agree to disagree on this one

DoggyStyle82 · #**102** 12-17-2003, 07:32 PM

Hey LoveSpell....I love your new tagline. I'm on board with that.

Love_Spell_6 · #**103** 12-17-2003, 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by allsmiles_22
Instead of continuing the mission of getting Osama who devised a plan for his followers to come into the US, take OUR PLANES, use those planes as bombs against OUR BUILDINGS and successfully kill thousands of OUR PEOPLE, he decides to use the lives of our loved ones to settle a personal vendetta with Saddam because he hasn't done anything to US (proven from your facts above). If that's not EVIL, I don't know what is? While the US being big brother is a whole different topic, the fact is we could have addressed Saddam AFTER we took care of our own enemies.

So we capture Saddam and we give relief to Iraq. What relief has the US gotten from capturing Saddam? Note that the downfall of the economy was due to 9/11 and not the war in Iraq. What justice have we gotten for the pain and suffering from 9/11? Tax cuts??? Sorry, but more money in my portfolio doesn't erase the memories of all those people who died when those buildings collapsed. I would need for my President to capture the terrorist(s) who afflicted my country directly and maybe then he could get my respect. As conservative as I am, I'll leave the loving of the old, republican, rich white man with power to you sista. *that just sounds so nasty*

Setting aside that he's a Bush and political affiliations, the fact is he failed as our President. In his own words from (http://www.indystar.com/library/fact...pt11/bush.html)

"The search is under way for those who are behind these evil acts. I've directed the full resources for our intelligence and law enforcement communities to find those responsible and bring them to justice."

"Americans are asking, "How will we fight and win this war?... Now this war will not be like the war against Iraq a decade ago, with a decisive liberation of territory and a swift conclusion."
At the time who would have ever thought we'd be right back in Iraq?

"I have called our military into action, to hunt down the members of the al Qaeda organization who murdered innocent Americans...I am so proud of our military. Our military is pursuing its mission... We are deliberately and systematically hunting down these murderers, and we will bring them to justice."

He hasn't followed through on any of these statements. Bush is now in high spirits and in high regards with the American people as he was when he got elected. I just pray to God that history doesn't repeat itself and Osama doesn't do anything to bring the focus back to his agenda with the US while we are celebrating our "great victory".

I'm not sure how many of u realize this...but even if/when we find the WMD's....even if/when we find Bin Laden....there will still be a war on terror! It is multifaceted! Killing ONE person or finding SOME WMD's will not be the end all be all. No one wants to hear or accept this....but this will be an ongoing war FOREVER. We strike them...they strike us....Just the way its gonna be. You cannot kill an ideology. There are people that will KEEP coming at the US because they HATE what we believe and what we stand for...they believe they are fulfilling their God's commands when they kill us...they die for what they believe in...this IS a holy war.

Thats why when people just want to "argue" and "debate" what/who we have found and how evil Bush is...I think its getting caught up in the small part of a larger situation. This war will be here for our children to fight...all we can do is try to protect ourselves as best we can...

And if that means ridding the world of people who like to make lil video tapes saying "death to americans" and "kill the infidel" ..we gotta do what we gotta do

Would have been nice if Clinton had gotten BIn Laden when he had the chance....but i guess him and MOnica were busy.

Love_Spell_6 · #**104** 12-17-2003, 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by DoggyStyle82
Hey LoveSpell....I love your new tagline. I'm on board with that.

Thanks bruh

allsmiles_22 · #**105** 12-17-2003, 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
If Bush finds Bin Laden, cures cancer, AIDS and the flu....he'll still be EVIL to some people!

The same way he'll be loved no matter what he does wrong. You can't debate people's feelings. The President is going to be open to good and bad criticism.

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Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
I'm not sure how many of u realize this...but even if/when we find the WMD's....even if/when we find Bin Laden....there will still be a war on terror! It is multifaceted! Killing ONE person or finding SOME WMD's will not be the end all be all. No one wants to hear or accept this....but this will be an ongoing war FOREVER. We strike them...they strike us....Just the way its gonna be. You cannot kill an ideology. There are people that will KEEP coming at the US because they HATE what we believe and what we stand for...they believe they are fulfilling their God's commands when they kill us...they die for what they believe in...this IS a holy war.

Thats why when people just want to "argue" and "debate" what/who we have found and how evil Bush is...I think its getting caught up in the small part of a larger situation. This war will be here for our children to fight...all we can do is try to protect ourselves as best we can...

And if that means ridding the world of people who like to make lil video tapes saying "death to americans" and "kill the infidel" ..we gotta do what we gotta do

Would have been nice if Clinton had gotten BIn Laden when he had the chance....but i guess him and MOnica were busy.

Umm, I think we are all educated to know that this isn't our first nor our last war. LOL However, that doesn't mean we can get laxed or use our personal preferences when bringing terrorists to justice. Was Saddam really a priority for the American people?

This really shouldn't be a republican-democrat debate considering there are some republicans who are disappointed in Bush. You say what Clinton should have done, someone will say what Bush should have done 10 years ago and we can keep this up until we get to George Washington. It's all shoulda, woulda, coulda when the fact is Bush, our current President, hasn't lived up to his commitment.