Gunman Opens Fire During "The Dark Knight Rises"

[BruhMan06]

you guys hear about the the guy who left girlfriend and kids during the shooting and drove away??


http://kollegekidd.com/news/boyfrien...night-shooting

[Iota Man]

Originally Posted by BruhMan06

you guys hear about the the guy who left girlfriend and kids during the shooting and drove away??


http://kollegekidd.com/news/boyfrien...night-shooting

Hey home's, folks on here are saying that you might be sus.

[PSKsilver]

Originally Posted by BruhMan06

you guys hear about the the guy who left girlfriend and kids during the shooting and drove away??


http://kollegekidd.com/news/boyfrien...night-shooting

He should have just stayed with him being scared.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

*sigh*


Gun sales soar in Aurora.

This is nothing shocking or new but in fact quite predictable and to be expected. Gun sales always go up after these mass shooting incidents. I also wouldn't be surprised if the Denver area's violent crime rate dips down for the next 2-3 years.

Originally Posted by BruhMan06

you guys hear about the the guy who left girlfriend and kids during the shooting and drove away??


http://kollegekidd.com/news/boyfrien...night-shooting

I really hope this is an "The Onion" style parody but if not....pathetic.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I really hope this is an "The Onion" style parody but if not....pathetic.

Well this couple was on another show - a credible news source - a day or two after the shooting. I wish I could remember the show! I didn't watch the entire interview, but this is actually what happened.

ETA: This isn't where I originally saw the couple being interviewed, but watch the end of this video, and read the story below. He did actually leave his fiancé and 2 kids behind. She cries, while he shows no emotion:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/couple-colo...7#.UBQQ2WgTs00

He even says in the video that he had the baby in his arms originally. And if you read the article, the woman says she saw her baby laying on the floor of the theater.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

Well this couple was on another show - a credible news source - a day or two after the shooting. I wish I could remember the show! I didn't watch the entire interview, but this is actually what happened.

ETA: This isn't where I originally saw the couple being interviewed, but watch the end of this video, and read the story below. He did actually leave his fiancé and 2 kids behind. She cries, while he shows no emotion:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/couple-colo...7#.UBQQ2WgTs00

He even says in the video that he had the baby in his arms originally. And if you read the article, the woman says she saw her baby laying on the floor of the theater.

Oh my...

What gets me is this guy actually drove off. He could have at least waited outside the theater to see if his family made it out. Very pathetic...

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Oh my...

What gets me is this guy actually drove off. He could have at least waited outside the theater to see if his family made it out. Very pathetic...

THIS is what I don't understand. It's one thing to run out of the theater, but how could you drive away, leaving your wife - who, while injured, carried your children out of the theater - to worry about you and wonder if you were dead.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

This is nothing shocking or new but in fact quite predictable and to be expected. Gun sales always go up after these mass shooting incidents

That was a sarcastic *sigh*.

[DrPhil]

I am watching Jane Valez-Mitchell on HLN. They were supposed to have the mother of one of the victims (the woman who left behind 2 kids) on the phone, Shirley Wygal.

Jane Valez-Mitchell: You were in court today in the overflow, what were your feelings and thoughts?
*silence*
Jane Valez-Mitchell: Shirley, can you hear me?!
Fake Shirley Wygal: *phone picks up* Yes, I can hear you!
Jane Valez-Mitchell: *repeats question*
Fake Shirley Wygal: Well, first I have a question for you....
Jane Valez-Mitchell: Uh...yes...go ahead....
Fake Shirely Wygal: Uh...can I (*bleep* edited out)...
Jane Valez-Mitchell: Wow...I do not know how that happened. Why someone would make light of this tragedy is...*pause*...unfathomable to me.

That was truly a crazy thing that caller did. I thought to myself "Shirley Wygal sounds like a man, but okay, whatever they say." It is crazy that someone would do that.

They finally got Shirley Wygal on the phone and she is currently being interviewed.

[VandalSquirrel]

Billboard compares the gunman from the Aurora shootings to President Obama. I can't even, seriously Idaho?

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/0...hes-nerve.html

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

Billboard compares the gunman from the Aurora shootings to President Obama. I can't even, seriously Idaho?

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/0...hes-nerve.html

Oy.

[Jeff OTMG]

Sorry been working lately and now I have to figure out how to do something called multi-quote before responding to all the others.

This is what happens when an armed private citizen is present during what could have been a mass shooting. I speculate that, due to his age, the shooter may be a veteran.

http://www.youtube.com/v/epZod2qyyN4

My father carries concealed, being allowed by the concealed carry for retired law enforcement officer legislation signed by President GW Bush in 2004. He turned 87 on July 31 and scored over 90% on all shooting qualification courses of fire, beating many of the members of the Oklahoma Highway Patrol.

If you know of a shooting that was made worse by the presence of a concealed carry holder then that would be interesting. I have previously posted a number of shootings that were cut short by concealed permit holders.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Jeff OTMG

This is what happens when an armed private citizen is present during what could have been a mass shooting.

That is only what happened in that specific instance. That is what happens in a small percentage of instances.

Longass River of Redundancy/

There is no such thing as "this is what happens when..." unless you are willing to acknowledge what is more likely to happen in a majority of instances. There is a greater probability that an armed LAW ABIDING citizen will have the weapon taken or will be too (depending on the circumstances) afraid/cautious/apprehensive/wise to use the weapon in the first place. It is similar to what happens in the average home invasion in which the law abiding home owner has an accessible weapon either hidden or in her/her hands. There is a greater likelihood that the law abiding citizen cannot or chooses not to access the weapon OR the weapon is stolen by the motivated offender. That is one of the differences between a law abiding citizen (who are not law enforcement officers or military) and a motivated offender. I laugh when the average law abiding citizen boasts about having been to gun ranges and being about to "take" a motivated offender. That makes the law abiding citizen sound delirious or too anxious to shoot an actual person. The small percentage of gun owners who actually can access their gun and can effectively take down an offender aside, there is a greater probability the law abiding citizen is (1) full of crap and will do what most gun toting law abiding citizens would do if the time comes to shoot a person; (2) the law abiding citizen is too excited over the possibility and is therefore crossing the line into becoming a motivated offender her/himself; and/or (3) the law abiding citizen has a mental health condition that fuels the excitement over potentially shooting an offender.

Law enforcement officers can have their guns taken from them or can opt out of using their guns for whatever reasons. Why can't people grasp this happening for other law abiding citizens, most of whom do not have extensive training? Law enforcement officers can be cautious about having to shoot a person (especially for the first time) and traumatized after having to do so. Why can't people grasp this happening for other law abiding citizens, most of whom do not have extensive training? People need to stop the silly pro-gun versus anti-gun as though this issue is that simple.

There are years of news articles and scholarly journal articles on this issue but I think this former law enforcement officer did quite well. If people are pro-gun access, that is fine as long as the proper training and precautions are required. But, that still does not mean that these gun toting law abiding citizens will be willing and able to take down motivated offenders. As for the law abiding citizens who complain that their gun training and precautions should not be greater than what offenders have to do in order to access and carry guns--there are reasons why THEY are the offenders and YOU are the law abiding citizens.

/Longass River or Redundancy

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by Jeff OTMG

Sorry been working lately and now I have to figure out how to do something called multi-quote before responding to all the others.

This is what happens when an armed private citizen is present during what could have been a mass shooting. I speculate that, due to his age, the shooter may be a veteran.

http://www.youtube.com/v/epZod2qyyN4

My father carries concealed, being allowed by the concealed carry for retired law enforcement officer legislation signed by President GW Bush in 2004. He turned 87 on July 31 and scored over 90% on all shooting qualification courses of fire, beating many of the members of the Oklahoma Highway Patrol.

If you know of a shooting that was made worse by the presence of a concealed carry holder then that would be interesting. I have previously posted a number of shootings that were cut short by concealed permit holders.

The last murder/suicide in my town was carried out by someone with a Utah concealed weapons permit, not even a year ago. I knew all involved, even the person who did the CCW training. The perp suffered from mental illness.

There was also an incident 5 years ago, where citizens went to assist and it wasn't a good situation. I witnessed the shooting, and since we couldn't be sure what was going on we stayed indoors with our firearms. The perp killed his wife, a church caretaker, a police officer (the only one to die in the line of duty in the history of the town), himself, and wounded others. he suffered from mental illness as well. About 6 weeks before this incident a mentally ill person murdered a student here in Moscow, another student in Boise, and attempted to murder a student in Arizona. These three incidents were all perpetrated with legal weapons by mentally ill people. The only other shooting I remember was of a football player and the perp was not mentally ill, I'd say in 2004?

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/break...ry.asp?ID=9960

That's a lot of murder with legal weapons by mentally ill people in a town of about 20,000. These incidents both in my tiny town and across the country have two things in common; legal firearms and mental illness. Hopefully with the Affordable Care Act incidents like these can be prevented with better access to mental health and psychiatric care, but since all of these incidents were with legally obtained weapons something is wrong. Maybe ammo needs to be better controlled, maintained, regulated, and tracked since one can't go on a spree without a lot of ammo.

[AGDee]

Mental health records were considered highly confidential and more private than standard medical records even before HIPAA. I think the argument of waiving your mental health history privacy leading to waiving other rights because you are mentally ill is just as silly as the argument that allowing gay marriage will lead to allowing marriage to children or animals. There are limits to freedom of speech for the mentally ill already though. There was more than one time that the secret service showed up at inpatient psych program where I was working to interview a patient who had sent threatening mail to the White House, usually right before the sitting President was going to make an appearance in the area. You don't get to say anything you want. You don't get to threaten government officials or presidential candidates.

The difficulty is in the logistics. Mental health records are not centrally stored anywhere. You would have to check records of every mental health facility, independent professional, and even primary care doctors who prescribe mental health medications. There is no mechanism for that. There is also the issue that the first psychotic break usually occurs after adulthood so they could already have a gun. There's really no way to screen for that.