Interesting op-ed: A Man's Right to Choose

[alum]

Our priest is always reminding the parishioners that pro-life means anti-death penalty. We live in a fairly conservative district and there are a lot of death penalty advocates in our area.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by alum
Our priest is always reminding the parishioners that pro-life means anti-death penalty. We live in a fairly conservative district and there are a lot of death penalty advocates in our area.

I attend a very liberal church that is also the co-seat of our archdiocese, and they unequivocally will state the death penalty is wrong - it's not our will to decide who lives and who dies (also the argument used for abortion) and it is also unequally applied to non-wealthy non-whites, thus violating the social justice polices of the Church.

I heard the same argument at my very conservative parish where I grew up.

[AnonAlumna]

Just had to reply to this...I'm on the same page as AlphaFrog and MTSUgirl. I'm shocked at some of the opinions of other people...we were all a fetus at one point. In addition, as a mother, my views on abortion have changed DRASTICALLY. While pregnancy is a sacrifice in many ways, there are great rewards as well. Ah, but that is another thread

To the topic at hand...I had a miscarriage in January. I did not have a choice about this, and it was very painful. While I was scared about having a second child, I still knew that I wanted the baby. This event has caused me to think twice about the man's opinion in procreation...after all...it DOES still take two.

[F8ful_n_durance]

I do understand why a man would think that he should have some say in the decision. As many have said before me in an ideal world I would agree. The bottom line is that a man should not be able to tell a woman that she has to keep a child when he is not the one that has to 'carry' the child to term. Irresponsible or not ABORTION should always be a woman's right. If you are in a relationship with someone and you are having unprotected sex then this is a discussion that the two should have-"what to do if the woman were to get pregnant". If the two do not agree then STRAP up!

The death penalty and abortion are two different issues. I don't agree with the death penalty, but I do support abortion, not as a means of birth control, but I so agree with it!

[amanda6035]

Originally posted by F8ful_n_durance
The death penalty and abortion are two different issues. I don't agree with the death penalty, but I do support abortion, not as a means of birth control, but I so agree with it!

It's absolutely amazing at the number of people who think its alright to murder innocent children, but want to let guilty b*stards live.

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by BirthaBlue4
I would, in a heartbeat. But that's a long story.

What I don't get personally, is how people can say 9 months is a long time, when the child is going to be in your care for 18 years. I always hear the focus put on the pregnancy, not the life of the child.

Some bottom lines:
If the couple is married, your husband have EVERY right to know about it and have full power in discussion. Especially (from a petty stand point) if you are under his insurance that is going to pay for it. (LITTLE TIDBIT: In DC, when you have a baby, even if you're divorced, your ex is the husband of any child you have for 6 months after the divorce. So even if she cheated, it's still legally his child). You may think, oh my body will be in turmoil for 9 whole months, but your husband may be thinking, I will have a child to love and teach about life, etc. etc.

If the couple is not married, it should still be a discussion, but my whole feeling on the thing is, if you WILLINGLY did it, you better WILLINGLY take care of whatever comes from it. You know the risks, you accept them as OK when you stick it in.

If the father wants an abortion and the woman does not, given that a woman has the right to do what she wants, he should have the right to not have to pay child support. I say this because if we're gonna look at this as if abortion is ok (its not with me, but this is for logical discussion), if the father doesn't think you all are ready, and he wants to "erase the mistake" but you as the woman want to take it on, that should be on you. If a guy is LETTING YOU KNOW IN ADVANCE that he's gonna be a deadbeat, that's on you if you proceed anyway.

It all boils down to how you look at babies. Some see a baby in a woman as life, others see it as tissue mass until it comes out and cries. That one view will shape how things will go. The way I see it, if you make it, you have to deal with it. And make better choices about who you have sex with. Every partner should be looked at as a potential father/mother. If you do that seriously, most people wouldn't have sex with the MAJORITY of people they've had sex with.

Just quoting a very good post.

[F8ful_n_durance]

Originally posted by amanda6035
It's absolutely amazing at the number of people who think its alright to murder innocent children, but want to let guilty b*stards live.

I know this belongs in another thread, but do you think that everyone sentenced to death is GUILTY? I DON'T! So does that answer your question? Quite frankly I'd rather that they sit in a cell and rot!

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by amanda6035
It's absolutely amazing at the number of people who think its alright to counter the viability of clumps of cells that exhibit little to no signs of 'humanity' as you would normally consider it, but want to let the poor, the black, and the potentially innocent live while serving a complete life sentence.

Fixed your post.

Don't be a dick - let's avoid pernicious or incendiary language, and if you have a point to add, support it.

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by amanda6035
It's absolutely amazing at the number of people who think its alright to murder innocent children, but want to let guilty b*stards live.

What is your criminal justice experience?

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by valkyrie
What is your criminal justice experience?

Duh, she was in the military, which totally provides equal justice for all.

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
Duh, she was in the military, which totally provides equal justice for all.

It says nothing about the Constitution in the military!