Abortion... please don't flame! - Page 6

PM_Mama00 · #76 08-25-2003, 03:05 PM

Browncat, you're a male right? forgive me if I'm wrong... it's hard to tell on the internet.

Can a man get pregnant? Is the man the one who has to worry about birth control? In most cases, does the man even take care of a child born out of wedlock?

No... woohoo he buys the condoms... and in most cases (not ALL) no.

Editted cuz I just read a few posts that were posted as I typed this....

Anyways, just because someone is having sex with their partner does not mean that they are out partying and having sex. In Valk's case, she has a signficant other that maybe she is sharing love with, but has no intent on wanting a child.

Should a couple NOT have sex because they do not want a child?

Also, I don't think it should be a man's choice to take away a woman's right, unless that man wants full custody of the child after it is born.

DZHBrown · #77 08-25-2003, 03:13 PM

I agree with browncat's thoughts. You know when you have sex that you're taking the risk of becoming pregnant. If you know you can't handle that, then don't put yourself in a situation where it's possible you can get pregnant. It's not that hard of a concept. We have to live with the consequences of our actions. I know everyone talks about it being the right of a woman's body, but I just don't see it that way. There is a lot more involved than just my body. It's the life of the child I'm carrying and it's part of the man that I had sex with. I think fathers should have rights, too. (In cases of consensual sex) I know that, unfortunately, abortion will never go away. So I hope that, with time, it will be a little harder to get one. I think the father of the child should have to give permission, that women should not be allowed to have multiple abortions, etc. I personally know a handful of women who have had 3+ abortions. That's just really irresponsible, IMHO.

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Should a couple NOT have sex because they do not want a child?

If they can't handle the possible consquences, then no, they should NOT have sex.

Lady Pi Phi · #78 08-25-2003, 03:31 PM

There are a lot of posts talking about if you don't want to risk having a child, then don't have sex. It seems to me that some of you have the thinking that sex is only for procreation. Well what about heterosexual couples (because obviously homosexual couples can't procreate the"natural" way) that are unable to conceive. Are you saying that they shouldn't have sex?

browncat · #79 08-25-2003, 03:31 PM

I am a male, if I was having sex and got my (girlfriend/wife/drunken hook-up) pregnant, it would be my responsibilty as well.

You cannot use a group of deadbeat dads as a justification for killing a baby. Just becasue there are a bunch of men out there who are horrible people, it does not give women the right to kill their babies. Men of that nature should be castrated.

Where do you keep coming up with the idea that killing a baby is a right you are given? It isn't your body you are burninig with saline or vaccuming out into the trash, it is another human's. Yes, sex is for the purpose of reproducing. Who is this guy she is involved w/ that would let her have an abortion? He is cool with her killing his kid?

I am about to ask a serious question here, so don't get angry...

Why is it that when women want child support, it is a mutual child, but when they want an abortion, it is "their body"?

P.S.- Is it okay to argue this way? I don't want to get anyone too mad. I just feel it is worth the debate. I am stating my feelings.

browncat · #80 08-25-2003, 03:33 PM

Lady Pi... Start a new post. This argument is too heavy already.

GeekyPenguin · #81 08-25-2003, 03:35 PM

You know what this argument reminds me of? When somebody really young dies and people say that God called them home. I can't stand that. We talked about it in my Theology class and I agreed entirely with what my professor said: "What kind of cruel God would take an eight year old boy away from his family?"

Lady Pi Phi · #82 08-25-2003, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by browncat
Lady Pi... Start a new post. This argument is too heavy already.

I think that argument fits well into this thread. Abortion will always be a heavily debated topic. If you would like to start a new thread be my guest.

valkyrie · #83 08-25-2003, 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by browncat
Sure, I'll give you a reason. It is ethically wrong. Think of it this way. In the grand scheme of things, which is the worse ending scenario if the two outcomes in the situation are (1. a loss of life) or (2. a girl who loses the ability to sleep around and party)? What appears to be the ethical thing to go with? I understand your argument about your body, but what about the babies body? Answer something for me. Why can't you handle a baby? Give me a reason other than the above reason of not being able to party. I believe that if you think you cannot handle a baby, you cannot handle sex.

And to the question of whether implanting embryo's into other women is ethical or moral? Well, sure, if you can assure me the baby will not be harmed.

Dude, who are you? Who are you to make any type of assumption about me and my life? I"m quite offended that you think that any woman who gets pregnant just wants to go out and "party." Excuse me, but I'm 32 years old and in a committed relationship, and quite frankly haven't done much "partying" for years.

I can't "handle" a baby quite frankly because I don't want one. You haven't done anything to make me understand your viewpoint. It's morally wrong according to WHOM? According to YOU, as best I can tell, and you seem to think that is reason enough to impose YOUR morals on OTHER people.

browncat · #84 08-25-2003, 03:44 PM

The kind that wants to put someone to the test. I do not believe that this is the only life we will live, but a mere test. If you are an athiest, sorry, you cannot expect the rest of the world to live w/out caring about their God. What kind of cruel God would crucify his own son on a cross? It is deeper than that. Did you argue w/ your prof., or just take his word as scripture. You will blindly follow your prof., but not the son of God?

browncat · #85 08-25-2003, 03:46 PM

Chill out, I was using a hypothetical "you". I did not say Moral, I said ethical. There is a difference. Also, I just wanted a debate, not a fight. Sorry if I offended you, Im out

valkyrie · #86 08-25-2003, 03:48 PM

The problem I have with your "argument" is that you are just coming at this from a Christian perspective and you expect that to be reason enough to impose your morals on others. Not everyone here is Christian, and also just because someone is not Christian does not mean that she is an atheist. There *are* other religions.

Lady Pi Phi · #87 08-25-2003, 03:50 PM

Browncat I would have PMed you, but it seems that I can't.

Can you please put quotes or the name of who you are replying to in your posts. I am having some difficulty figuring out who you are responding to.

Your last post had a comment about a professor but that comment was made by GeekyPenguin, but it seems that you were responding to Valkyrie.

Just a suggestion so we can continue our intellectual debate in a civilized manner.

Thankyou.

browncat · #88 08-25-2003, 03:51 PM

You are right. I am sorry. It is hard to look at things from another perspective. I am sorry that I offended you. I tried to make it clear w/ my little "disclaimer". It is a hard thing to argue, and it always ends in a fight. Maybe I will go back to talking about Slamball with the guys. I respect your opinion. Peace.

DZHBrown · #89 08-25-2003, 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
There are a lot of posts talking about if you don't want to risk having a child, then don't have sex. It seems to me that some of you have the thinking that sex is only for procreation. Well what about heterosexual couples (because obviously homosexual couples can't procreate the"natural" way) that are unable to conceive. Are you saying that they shouldn't have sex?

Well obviously, they would not run the risk of having an unwanted pregnancy, so they don't have to take that precaution or be prepared for the consequence of a child. I don't know about the others who have stated opinions similar to mine, but I for now that sex is NOT just for procreation! Sure, it's fun, it feels good, all that stuff. And people have sex hoping they won't get pregnant, but sometimes do. All I'm saying is if someone can't deal with the consequence, then don't get in a situation where you might have to face it. That doesn't mean you have to raise and provide for that child for the next 18+ years. Adoption is a VERY respectable alternative. There are so many wonderful people who cannot have children of their own that would love to be in the shoes of those with unwanted pregnancies. Many would make incredible parents.

On a side note, if I say "you" it's not directed towards anyone in particular.

GeekyPenguin · #90 08-25-2003, 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by browncat
The kind that wants to put someone to the test. I do not believe that this is the only life we will live, but a mere test. If you are an athiest, sorry, you cannot expect the rest of the world to live w/out caring about their God. What kind of cruel God would crucify his own son on a cross? It is deeper than that. Did you argue w/ your prof., or just take his word as scripture. You will blindly follow your prof., but not the son of God?

I'm not sure what religion you are, but in my church we don't interpret the Bible literally, thank goodness. I did agree with him - he's an Anglican priest, by the way. I also believe in universal salvation - want to tear into that next?