HP-Deathly Hallows

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Confringo - blasting curse

Nice. So neither light nor warmth...now the debate is if Bathilda were an Inferius would Hermione recognize that and act accordingly? I'll go with yes because she does prove to be able to think on her feet and be creative at the same time.

Maybe we should petition J.K. Rowling for an answer. (Who wants to bet she didn't think anyone would be so hung up on these details? Never underestimate nerds. )

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Confringo - blasting curse

No. She used Confringo against Nagini, not against Bathilda/Nagini-in-Bathilda. Hermione did nothing to "expel" Nagini from Bathilda -- Nagini had already abandoned Bathilda before Hermione came upstairs.

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

Nice. So neither light nor warmth...

Yes warmth. Though like I said, Hermione used the spell against Nagini alone, not Bathilda, the next line is that curse ricocheted around the room and back at them -- "Harry felt the heat of it sear the back of his hand."

FWIW, when Dumbledore mentions the fear of light and warmth, he then says they'll use both -- "fire." But again, neither Hermione nor Harry used any spell against Bathilda.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Hermione did nothing to "expel" Nagini from Bathilda -- Nagini had already abandoned Bathilda before Hermione came upstairs.

Thanks, MC. That'll teach me to post about specifics without having recently read the book!

I agree that Bathilda was an Inferius... I was just hoping to find something that might help substantiate that claim (other than the fact that she's a corpse that's* being magically controlled by a Dark wizard).

*Is it a corpse that or a corpse who? When does a person (or their body) lose whoness?

[christiangirl]

I still don't see how Bathilda was being controlled by a Dark wizard. The Inferi in the lake were able to act of their own accord. She was being controlled by Nagini who was not a wizard. It's not plausible that she was being controlled by Voldy because the corpse collapsed as soon as Nagini left it. It could not act unless a creature was physically inside of it (unless he planned it so that the magic would cease once Nagini's task with it was done?). Unless we argue that it was Voldy's bit of soul enclosed in Nagini where the magic came from which begs the question, "Can Inferi be Inferi b/c they are being controlled by a wizard's soul in another creature's body, not necessarily the whole wizard, body and soul combined?"

As for at the that vs who....I would say when a soul leaves a person, he or she becomes a that. However, I feel that way about Bathilda. I just applied this to my grandmother and firmly said "she," her body could never be a "that" to me even if what her "her" is gone. It's always different when it's your own.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

I still don't see how Bathilda was being controlled by a Dark wizard. The Inferi in the lake were able to act of their own accord.

I disagree. Corpses can't do anything of their own accord. They had been enchanted by Voldemort to react in certain ways if and when certain things happened.

She [Bathilda] was being controlled by Nagini who was not a wizard. It's not plausible that she was being controlled by Voldy because the corpse collapsed as soon as Nagini left it. It could not act unless a creature was physically inside of it . . . .

Again, I disagree. How does a snake control two legs, two arms and a spine inside a human being without the assistance of magic?

(unless he planned it so that the magic would cease once Nagini's task with it was done?).

This! The "Potterwatch" broadcast said Bathilda showed signs of injuries inflicted by Dark magic, which means by a witch or wizard, not Nagini. Given that and given the relative lack of decay in her body, the simplest explanation (Occam's razor) is that Voldemort killed her and magically enabled her corpse to be inhabited and controlled by Nagini so long as Nagini (and he) had need of it. The fact that, unlike other Inferi we saw in the books, Voldemort included Nagini as part of the "package" with Bathilda Bagshot doesn't mean at all that he couldn't have or didn't work some magic on poor old Bathilda. Magically controlled corpse = Inferius.

[laylo]

I saw it a second time over Thanksgiving and realized that most of the Nagini fight happens in a nursery...weird! I totally missed that the first time. It was supposed to be Bathilda's house, not Harry's old one, so don't know what that's about.

[LouisaMay]

I noticed the nursery, too. Since the book was not very fresh in my mind, I wasn't sure if I had just missed something. It definitely created a strong emotional response from me.

[ISUKappa]

Originally Posted by laylo

I saw it a second time over Thanksgiving and realized that most of the Nagini fight happens in a nursery...weird! I totally missed that the first time. It was supposed to be Bathilda's house, not Harry's old one, so don't know what that's about.

I'm thinking for the movie, they made Bathilda's house a semi-detached or terrace home and they actually broke through to the other side of the house during the fight. I'm guessing it was a conscious juxtaposition on the part of the director to have a nursery (light/new/birth) vs. Bathilda's house (old/dark/death) during the fight scene. Plus, it could be a type of visual throwback to the fight 17 years prior when Voldemort came after Harry.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by ISUKappa

I'm thinking for the movie, they made Bathilda's house a semi-detached or terrace home and they actually broke through to the other side of the house during the fight. I'm guessing it was a conscious juxtaposition on the part of the director to have a nursery (light/new/birth) vs. Bathilda's house (old/dark/death) during the fight scene. Plus, it could be a type of visual throwback to the fight 17 years prior when Voldemort came after Harry.

Right. It was indeed a terrace house.

[DaemonSeid]

spoilers for part 2

[twinkle555]

Bumping for part 2 opening this week. Ive got my tickets for Thurs at midnight! Who else is going? Are you dressing up?

[TPA85]

I'm going! Glad we got our tickets so early because the whole area is sold out!!
Not dressing as a character but my chapter did get TPA/Hogwarts shirts made. I haven't seen them yet but I heard they are awesome :-D

[twinkle555]

Originally Posted by TPA85

I'm going! Glad we got our tickets so early because the whole area is sold out!!
Not dressing as a character but my chapter did get TPA/Hogwarts shirts made. I haven't seen them yet but I heard they are awesome :-D

OOh thats awesome My little and I are having butterbeer, watching pt 1 and doing our makeup in our house colors..I dont think I have the guts to fully dress up like other fans lol

[christiangirl]

I bought my tix 2 weeks ago! Even then, the 12:01 was sold out. We're going to the 12:15 instead. Don't think I'm dressing up, though. I'm bringing my wand and I may don some Potter specks, but not much more than that. I feel like the last one should be less costumes and gimmicks...just we, the faithful following standing with our hero...for the last time.

*cue solemn music*

Though I'm totally sneaking a flagon of homemade butterbeer in my bag. It just wouldn't be a last hurrah without butterbeer!

[AGDee]

My son is NOT happy that I am in Austin and the girlie is in NYC so we can't go to the midnight showing. Actually, the girlie isn't happy either. HP DH2 was one of the options she could pick from for excursions but she drew a high number in the lottery and that was filled before she could get it. Ditto with Broadway tickets. She's bummed out about that.

So, I think we'll see it Sunday night when she gets home or perhaps Monday night. We know how it ends though