Barack Obama's spiritual mentor retires from pastorate. - Page 5

DSTCHAOS · #61 05-01-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PerroLoco

I am really saddened by the turn of events. Rev . Wright really had a chance to turn the legitmate media around and also blount Fox News and the attacks of right-wing radio. Instead, he played right into their hands with the foolishness of that Q & A session. There is a time to berate the American Govt and espouse conspiracy theories, and even to praise Farakhan, but not at the expense of the hopes of the Black community and its chance of a Black president. You have to be smarter than to play into the hands of the enemy. Black folks may have been laughing and applauding, but Americas puppetmasters were dancing a jig.

Black folks who can think beyond their asses weren't really laughing and applauding, though.

Tom Joyner talked about Wright again today and was shaking his head at Wright throwing up the hooks and acting a fool. Wright gets props for being influential in Chicago and other places. That's not forgotten. But his image is overshadowing his hard work and now he's no better than those flashy Cleflo Dollar-type pastors, as far as I'm concerned.

Little32 · #62 05-01-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mccoyred

BTW, if this 'controversy' is all his opponents have on him, he is definitely a shoo-in. Clinton and McCain have enough baggage to overflow several train cars!

Which is the hilarious part. I was watching one of Clinton's conferences the other day, and she said "We all make choices as to whom we associate with; they reflect our ability as leaders." I could not believe that she stood up there and said that with a straight face, with all of the skeleton's in her closet.

The stories they try to sell us.

SmoothAv8r · #63 05-01-2008, 01:48 PM

Rev. Wright is who he is. The media creates and perpetuates images of people. The "image" that many in America have of Jeremiah Wright was created by the media, not Jeremiah Wright. Having been quoted and interviewed by the media at least twice that I can think of, I know that neither time did what come out of my mouth end up being presented to the public because of editing and ultimately the image the editor was trying to propogate.

As for Tom Joyner, I love him to death, but I think he's wrong on this. I don't view Rev. Wright as acting like a fool. While I support Barack 1000%, what's going on with his reverend is nothing more than the media trying to juxtapose this black man with someone who they have labeled and cast as an extremist, racist, "Anti-American", etc. The psychological objective of this must be to undermine all of these "good" white folk who are beginning to think they can identify with him and that his message resonates with them.

This is all a game. If it weren't Jeremiah, it would be something else - this is the black tax. First they were trying to tie him to Islam in hopes of scaring people into thinking that he might have some tie to "radical Islam". Then they tried to tie him to Farrakhan and when he admitted his longstanding Christian faith, then it became Jeremiah Wright. Barack knows in his heart that what the man is saying is true and needs to be said if this country is going to stand a chance, but if he wants to be president and assuage the "good" white folk, then he'd better create distance and denouce his spiritual mentor/teacher and friend. This is merely another example of the price necessary to be paid for anyone black who truly aspires to greatness outside of the entertainment world in this country - you must be ready, willing and able to sell your soul as Barack is unfortunately doing.

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Black folks who can think beyond their asses weren't really laughing and applauding, though.

Tom Joyner talked about Wright again today and was shaking his head at Wright throwing up the hooks and acting a fool. Wright gets props for being influential in Chicago and other places. That's not forgotten. But his image is overshadowing his hard work and now he's no better than those flashy Cleflo Dollar-type pastors, as far as I'm concerned.

DSTCHAOS · #64 05-01-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SmoothAv8r

The "image" that many in America have of Jeremiah Wright was created by the media, not Jeremiah Wright.

Oh Wright isn't completely innocent in this. If people are truly smart enough to know the game, that means they know how to play it.

He was getting props for being a keep it real pastor and he milked it for everything that it's worth. I hope it was worth whatever the outcome is.

Little32 · #65 05-01-2008, 01:59 PM

^^Right, and Rev. Wright is not playing the game that they want him to play. He is playing his game. Obama has to play their game, Rev. Wright does not.

DSTCHAOS · #66 05-01-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Little32

^^Right, and Rev. Wright is not playing the game that he wants them to play. He is playing his game. Obama has to play their game, Rev. Wright does not.

Yep.

So I want him to sit down for reasons beyond Obama.

Little32 · #67 05-02-2008, 09:51 AM

Interesting interview on Wright and Farrakhan.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video0...0&sMPlaylistID

This kid is not at all critical.

jitterbug13 · #68 05-31-2008, 07:14 PM

Obama has left Trinity...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080531/ap_on_el_pr/obama

Little32 · #69 05-31-2008, 08:33 PM

Wow.

preciousjeni · #70 05-31-2008, 08:39 PM

Watching news on it now. Obama has lost some points with me. He's making a good political move, but a bad ethical one in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by jitterbug13

Obama has left Trinity...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080531/ap_on_el_pr/obama

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Wright...suggested that Obama was acting like a politician by putting his pastor at arm's length while privately agreeing with him.

Yep.

Little32 · #71 05-31-2008, 10:29 PM

^^Several folks that I have talked to say that same thing.

mccoyred · #72 06-01-2008, 08:51 AM

I disagree. People outgrow aspects of their life all the time. I go back to my old neighborhood in North Philly where I spent my formative years and I can't relate anymore.

I believe him when he says that he wants to further shield the church from press scrutiny.

I also think that this was the best point to leave the church from a political standpoint but also from a personal one. He is not the same person who attended the church for all those years. He has a new reality that he must deal with. He will be spending the next 8 years in Washington anyway so why not make a clean break?

Little32 · #73 06-01-2008, 09:21 AM

^^I guess that some think that his withdrawing from the church is not going to lessen the amount of scrutiny and that his leaving now, in this moment, raises some questions for them that had not been raised before.

PerroLoco · #74 06-02-2008, 11:03 PM

Obama has to leave because it is not fair to the church, its pastors, its members, or its guests to have the media, and especially Fox News going through every word that has ever been spoken there. People have been stealing church bulletins out of the trash. Also, speakers are too tempted to "perform" on the Trinity stage and it is not good for anyone.

Little32 · #75 06-03-2008, 09:21 AM

That is the only way that I can respect the decision, if the request came from the church. In my opinion, people are still going to be doing those things because though he has left, there is still a twenty year relationship with the church. I don't really think that it will change much of anthing in terms of the way that the media handles the church.