So is imitation really the sincerest form of flattery?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

No they didn't, especially having the black dude as part of the act to make them look more hip. That didn't help, that just made them look even more pathetic to me.

They looked cute to me. Not particularly on point in every move, but cute because they seemed to be having fun and were representing THEIR sorority.

I agree with you about the black dude but that could easily be interpreted as a shout out to whoever helped them.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

DC

Who?

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Who?

I just abreviated DSTCHAOS. (DC) I got lazy.

[DSTCHAOS]

This is apparently about so much more than stepping for PrettyBoy.

But this topic is only about stepping for many people and especially for many members of the NPC. How do I know? Because this and similar topics have been topics for yeaaaaars in mixed settings.

So since PrettyBoy is talking about racism and what not, let us be reminded that those types of discussions don't do well on GreekChat. Plus that topic seems a bit misplaced, anyway.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

I just abreviated DSTCHAOS. (DC) I got lazy.

Don't. Thanks.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Don't. Thanks.

o.k. DSTCHAOS

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

This is apparently about so much more than stepping for PrettyBoy.

Yes it is, because I really don't like seeing our traditions copied, borrowed or whatever. My opinion.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Yes it is, because I really don't like seeing our traditions copied, borrowed or whatever. My opinion.

Please don't go there! The Nupes have a Loving Cup song, right? Did they not somehow "steal" the concept from Beta Theta Pi? And didn't white fraternities contribute to the ritualistic foundations of your fraternity?

Getting bent out of shape about this and protesting about white groups imitating our customs and traditions is like a man (or woman) pruning a tree and mistakenly sawing off the limb they are sitting on.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Please don't go there! The Nupes have a Loving Cup song, right? Did they not somehow "steal" the concept from Beta Theta Pi? And didn't white fraternities contribute to the ritualistic foundations of your fraternity?

Getting bent out of shape about this and protesting about white groups imitating our customs and traditions is like a man (or woman) pruning a tree and mistakenly sawing off the limb they are sitting on.

[OOhsoflyDELTA#9]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Don't. Thanks.

I love my Soror...she makes me laugh out loud at 11pm when there is nothing to watch on tv...that is all.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Who made him participate? It's his own choice. He's just as likely to have enjoyed coaching/helping them out.

(Again, I'm not saying that KKG is oh so cool, just that you're comparing little leaguers to the Major Leagues and you're acting all up your ass about it. )

Drolefille thanks for that, and I see your point. I also respect you and appreciate you, but this is an example I copied from another poster that I can't just let go. History is history, but it's still happening. Why is color (especially black) such a big issue with your people?

Ole Miss Suspends Frat for One Year
By REGINA L. BURNS
Associated Press Writer

JACKSON, Miss. — A University of Mississippi fraternity has been suspended for a year after a black student said he was the victim of a racial slur and a physical assault at a party, school officials said Friday.
Freshman Jeremiah Taylor, 18, said he was pushed down the stairs while attending a Delta Kappa Epsilon party Aug. 22 on the Oxford campus, according to school officials. The student newspaper, The Daily Mississippian, reported Friday on its Web site that Taylor said he was called the N-word at the party.

Taylor, of Southaven, filed a complaint on Aug. 24 with the Dean of Students' office, said Jeffrey Alford, Associate Vice Chancellor for university relations at Ole Miss.

Alford said the party got out of hand and people were asked to leave. Taylor told Mississippi Public Broadcasting in a Sept. 10 radio report that he was on his way downstairs, when "a guy in an orange shirt threw a beer can at me and hit me in my left shoulder." Then others shoved him down the stairs, he said.

Ole Miss officials said Friday the school's judicial council had found the historically white fraternity guilty of violations of harassment, assault, disorderly conduct, possession of alcohol and hosting an unauthorized party.
Alford said the fraternity was also fined $1,000, which will be used to fund an alcohol and drug education program; its members were required to perform 20 hours of community service and attend a racial sensitivity program. Members can continue to live at the residence, but they cannot recruit or socialize, he said.

The newspaper reported this is the first strike against the fraternity in the school's two-strike alcohol policy.

When asked by The Associated Press if this was the first time Ole Miss had suspended a fraternity for racial slurs and harassment, Alford said, "I don't know. It certainly is the first time in recent memory."

He said that all Ole Miss freshmen take a creed that says "I believe in respect for the dignity of each person."[/QUOTE]
So the fact that there are still racist members of fraternities means that there is no inherent value to them? You didn't actually address anything, just pushed it off onto "look, these guys were racist and in a fraternity." That does not mean that our organizations are racist.

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

I respect your post and agree with some of it. I still get upset knowing the fact that white glos excluded blacks from joining them, had us cooking and cleaning for you all in your sorority and fraternity houses and at the same time referred to one of my founders as a Kappa Alpha "Nig". Yes, that was damn near 100 years ago, but knowing the fact that the racial issues are still happening pisses me off to the highest. It angers me knowing this still goes on but yet you all now want to copy our traditions. I'm going to ask you the same question I asked Drolefille. Why do your people have such an issue excepting people who are non-white (especially black people)? You wonder why we don't participate in your greek week functions? We were rejected from you glos so we created our own. It wasn't an issue when we wern't allowed to participate in your functions, but now that we choose not to, it all of a sudden has become an issue.

But what do you expect people to do about it? Apologize to you daily for people who used to do? For what other people do today?

None of "my" people have any difficulty accepting "your" people. If you want an explanation and history of racism in this country as well as around the world you're going to need to look elsewhere. The NPC accepts all races/creeds/etc. Your experiences on specific campuses or at specific chapters are not representative of "my" people. Do not represent "us" by the worst of "our" people. Yes they are part of the whole, but what is hidden cannot be removed.

[Low C Sharp]

your people

I think it would be smart to be a lot more specific about whom you're addressing here. Some racist frat boy in Mississippi is not my people. And I'm sure said racist frat boy would say the same about me if someone suggested that "his people" includes pinko Ivy League Jews like myself.
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The Legend Condo Pattaya

[MeezDiscreet]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I have had personal experience with the D9 being "too good" to do anything with the NPC/NIC.

Quite honestly, this was all I read of your post because it struck a chord with me. This has been a major issue for me since I pledged waaaaaaaay back in '02 (). I understand that NPC/NIC has more of a social function than service but whenever we were invited to do anything, it was to step or teach people to step. No one ever wanted to co-sponsor a book club or a speaker series or service event--just stepping. Because we're more than entertainment, we would decline the offers to participate in events with people who would never speak to us except to invite us to such events. We were never invited to their parties, or anything else--just to stpe.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by MeezDiscreet

Quite honestly, this was all I read of your post because it struck a chord with me. This has been a major issue for me since I pledged waaaaaaaay back in '02 (). I understand that NPC/NIC has more of a social function than service but whenever we were invited to do anything, it was to step or teach people to step. No one ever wanted to co-sponsor a book club or a speaker series or service event--just stepping. Because we're more than entertainment, we would decline the offers to participate in events with people who would never speak to us except to invite us to such events. We were never invited to their parties, or anything else--just to stpe.

That sucks. I do know that since the D9 chapters weren't campus organizations, we weren't allowed to invite them for things like Greek week and such. (City wide chapters) However, I think another big misunderstanding is the size of D9 chapters can be very very small. How are they going to compete in a Greek week on even terms? My sister had no idea even though they've been trying to have Greek-wide events on her small campus for a long time. But I think in many cases, both sides aren't communicating.

[AKA_Monet]

Marc Broussard...

I know, I am just adding fuel to this fire...

And he has a Myspace Page.