Real World 10

[ZChi4Life]

Malik is officially "Da Man" in my book! I liked what he did and I would've done the same. He gets 2 thumbs up from me!

I don't think I like Coral anymore. Her attitude is just really annoying. She did not have to keep picking w/ Mike. Ok, we can all see that Mike is NOT up on his black culture. Ok, now move on! Picking w/ him isn't gonna help him learn nada! She didn't have to teach him (frankly, I wouldn't even want her to) but she didn't have to keep messing w/ ol boy. And, is it me or is callling him "ignorant" every 5 seconds really annoying?? I think I agree w/ Mike when he said that she makes him out to be stupid or something. I don't know...perhaps this is another MTV editing issue. If it is, they need to stop cuz they're making her seem like the Queen B. If she's really like that, then I know she will not be cool w/ me anymore.

Lori and Kevin: They need to find other people to talk to b/c they are annoying. And that's sad b/c they don't seem that annoying. Once again, that's MTV editing for ya.

Nicole: Her story of how she grew up was sad. However....1) Sunglasses at night?? Why? 2)So, she wears all that makeup ALL the time?? Even if she's just chillin in the house? She's a pretty girl...I think Malik needs to tell her that And what was up w/ that dude she met? I totally missed that cuz I was doing laundry. Someone fill me in please


[This message has been edited by ZChi4Life (edited July 10, 2001).]

[SeriousAKA]

Originally posted by Inquisitive:
Come on be my baby tonight...I know you've been with other fellas but C'mon be my baby tonight. That crap had me LMAO!!!! What was even funnier was that he actually thought that mess was the ish!

If ya'll don't stop making me laugh at David!!!!

[RAYZON]

Weeeeelllll, let the church say AMEN!!! That was the same way I felt about Coral. She is just off the meter, im like dang give Mr. Man a chance to say he sawry an urrythang. Malik would look really nice with a LOW fro and ditch the pick, kept that facial hair together and talk, I don't even know what he sounds like. I think this season is going to be quite interesting, I just wish I had known when they were at 32 Hudson Street, because I would have definitely tried to make friends with someone so that I could get my television debut on....heeeheeeheee.....

QUOTE]Originally posted by ZChi4Life:
Yes, I think the producers definitely wanted to see more peeps hook up this season. I mean, look at all the questions during the casting special. I'm assuming they edited a lot of the questions out to only show the ones about who wants to hook up w/ who, etc.

I think they are making Lori look like a psycho too. They did the same thing to Amaya on Hawaii. That's ALL they ever showed them talking about when they did those "confessionals" or whatever you call'em. Lori doesn't really seem like she'd be like that. Maybe to an extent, but dang! Everytime she talked, Kevin's name came outta her mouth! I don't know about that. I feel like Kevin is sorta saying one thing and doing another. Just like Lori said, he'll tell her he wants to wait and then be hugging her and stuff. She was all over him too, but she's not the one saying she wants to wait. I don't know...that's all just a mess.

I wonder what's gonna happen w/ Malik and Nicole. He's cute but the hair has got to be tamed!! I wish he'd stop picking it. I know you're probably supposed to, but it's getting on my nerves! And I'm not feeling all his facial hair that much either. He needs to braid the hair and trim up the beard, sideburns...alla that!
THEN, we can talk

Coral, Coral, Coral. She just needs to bring it back a few notches. I think she's gonna be that person that overreacts to everything! I just know that when she told ol' boy off, I was thinking, "Why didn't she just ask him where he derived at all of that stuff" and "Why not ask him if he believed any of the stuff that his uncle told him." I KNOW I would've said something to him, but I would've tried to find out where he got all that and if he thought it was true. I felt bad cuz he kept trying to tell her that he didn't mean it like that. Po' boy. Then she had to go and not talk to him. She just blew that outta proportion. Instead of telling him to stop talking or whatever, why not see where he's coming from and EDUCATE him!!

Ok, I'm done cuz I could go on and on.

[This message has been edited by ZChi4Life (edited July 04, 2001).][/QUOTE]

[jali0004]

Originally posted by ZChi4Life:


Nicole: Her story of how she grew up was sad. However....1) Sunglasses at night?? Why?

I TOTALLY agree with you about girlfriend with the sunglasses...what's up with that?? I thought I was just out of the loop with what's cool (being in MN and all ),

I really like Malik. I don't think he has the personality for cornrows, but the out of control 'fro is killin' me. I have a natural too, but he needs to tame it down a bit, or at least moisturize it, ya know??? I also don't see why he likes Nicole...they seem like very extreme opposites.

I like Coral, and I can understand where she's coming from. I am in contact constantly with white folks that have "tunnel vision"--meaning they only see white america. Like no one else exists in the whole world except white folx. But that's my spin on the situation, once again, influenced by MN.

I don't think we should be quick to blame Coral for the whole Mike situation. He didn't have to say what he said in the restaurant. And..he was with TWO black people, how did he think they would react to the BS he was saying..and in public??? I think Coral handled the situation well in the restaurant. I don't think she wanted to make a scene, and talk to him out of her anger. And let's face it...Mike isn't the brightest bulb in the pack..at least she calls him out on it.



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"I am not yet the author of my life; I am still it's unenlightened protagonist"
---Unknown

[SweetestDiva]

I guess I'm going to do this list thing for every episode.

CORAL: Ooooh, but she worked my nerves! I have to wonder if she could have dropped as much knowledge as Malik.. something makes me doubt it. I did laugh out loud when she told Mike to do a report on Marcus Garvey though.

MALIK: They showed a quick clip of him with the cornrows, and of course, I loved it. I think he is the total package - adorable, considerate, intelligent and tolerant.. did I mention I loved Malik???

RACHEL: Still kinda boring, but I thought her little scene with Nicole in the kitchen was cute.

NICOLE: Yeah, the makeup is a bit much, and I was wondering about the sunglasses too. She won lots of cool points for her Bush commentary, and she's quick-witted in a dirty south kinda way. Nahmean?

MIKE: Po' baby. I feel bad for him, but he's learning... albeit slowly.

LORI/KEVIN: Thank God I didn't have to see Lori screwing him tonight. Guess I'll have that to look forward to next week.

[lastpoetnsite]

much respect...

i want to just say that i agree with jali. Seeing as i also attend school in MN...i also like coral...because in many ways we are the same. after you have been around white people who have NEVER IN THEIR LIVES MET OR INTERACTED WITH PEOPLE OF COLOR....(yes folx...never ever in their lives) and then have them say some crazy ish...yeah you want to slap them silly. and you do get a little annoyed and you don't want to have to "educate" them constantly. it gets boring and tiring.
malik's attempt to educate mike was interesting. malik seemingly has a good heart but sometimes folx like mike (who definitely isn't the brightest bulb in the pack!) need to be told, "look your ignorant ass needs to read a book and quit partying!"

there are two things that i think we are missing when we get angry at coral.
1. when they were at the restaurant (yes these folx mumble entirely too much!) mike said after he was talking about his uncle not hiring black people because they were "slower". he said, "my uncle gave me a pretty good reason for not hiring black people". which meant to me that he agreed. coral should've gotten pissed!
2. mike admits that when teachers talked about black people and events that he just didn't listen. oh so now he wants to listen? okay.

excuse me if i sound angry but on a daily i am here "teaching" white folx that they are not the only ones in this world. so while malik may have had the diplomatic approach...i can feel coral...cause sometimes as much as you want to "teach" you can't be nice and comforting all the time. sometimes you gotta give the ignorant some "tough love".

peace

[prayerfull]

Well, it's about time that someone stood up to Coral. I like her for the fact that she is direct and has no problem vocalizing herself. However, everyone must at some point stop and recognize their faults. She made herself look completely ridiculous when she said that Mike had said/done things to make her not like him but that she had done nothing to him that would make him feel likewise.

Let's be real. We live in a "white" dominated society. The history books used in schools barely touch upon Black History. The only Black icons taught are MLK Jr, Rosa Parks and perhaps Malcolm X. Further, when those people are discussed, they barely skim on their influence in our culture. For MLK Jr, they'll highlight the I have a dream speach. For Rosa Parks, they'll talk about her refusal to sit at the back of the bus. For Malcolm X, Lord knows that the only thing they're going to say is that she was a militant black man who condoned violence. They're not going to teach any in-depth history of any of these people or any others. Most certainly, they're not going to teach about Marcus Garvey, Charles Drew, Ernest Just, Carter G. Woodson, Sojourner Truth.....the list could be endless.

Not only do they not teach white kids this information, but Black kids learn out of the same history books. I went to a private, white, catholic school. Certainly, I did not get this exposure at school. My mother and father, both educated black professionals, instilled this knowledge in me. Not all black children know their history. Most certainly, Mike's parents wouldn't know the history of Black America and they would not have taught it to him.

Coral needs to grow up and get a reality check. It's not Mike's fault that he doesn't know. I also believe that he wants to learn. He was totally open to sitting down with Malik and learning.

Quite frankly, I wouldn't mind breaking it down with Coral to she whether she really knows her history as well.

[SweetestDiva]

Originally posted by lastpoetnsite:
there are two things that i think we are missing when we get angry at coral.
1. when they were at the restaurant (yes these folx mumble entirely too much!) mike said after he was talking about his uncle not hiring black people because they were "slower". he said, "my uncle gave me a pretty good reason for not hiring black people". which meant to me that he agreed. coral should've gotten pissed!
2. mike admits that when teachers talked about black people and events that he just didn't listen. oh so now he wants to listen? okay.

I'll step up to this one since Coral got on my last nerve last night.

I agree she should have gotten pissed off at what Mike said in the restaurant. If he really never interacted with black folk before coming on the show, how should he know to reject what he was taught? I'm not condoning his ignorance, but don't we all buy into stereotypes at one point or another? What I thought was out of line is the way Coral was going out of her way to be rude to Mike. I thought it was so presumptuous of her to assume that Mike would never take offense to anything she said to him. She was just like.. "Of course I never said anything to make him not to want to hang with me!" like it was unthinkable. I said all that to say this - yes, she had a right to get pissed, but she is too argumentative and self-absorbed for my taste.

[Convinced]

Ok, I am in agreement with the majority: Coral is a major a**hole. I thought she was mad cool on the casting special, but she seems to be such an instigator.... it's like, she can't mess with anyone else so she picks on Mike (and I am NOT a Caucasion advocate!)
I really dig Nicole and I can tell how she and Coral will eventually clash... Coral's assertiveness seems like its something that she works at: she sets out to be a major b****. Nicole just oozes self confidence.
I really liked Malik's friend, too, even though Malik is my baby daddy.

[ZChi4Life]

What I thought was out of line is the way Coral was going out of her way to be rude to Mike.

Yes, exactly! I think even if this situation hadn't occurred b/t Mike and Coral, her attitude gets a big YUK from me! That is what was bothering me more than anything. Prime example: When Malik's friend was trying to explain how he felt about Mike's attempt to learn....did ya'll see that look she shot him??!! I was like DANG!! Brotha man just trying to tell her how he's seeing it. She got an attitude w/ him and she JUST met him! Granted, he didn't know what had happened w/ those two. But sheesh, he was just tryin to say what he felt from where he was standing. It's just her overall attitude that is ugly. And I agree, she seemed cool at the casting special. She seemed like she had some edge to her, but damn, I didn't think it would be like that! She was picking w/ Mike just b/c she knew he wouldn't say anything to her. She knows he won't cross her like that cuz she'd probably eat'm up and spit him back out! lol She's a trip!

Also, I can see where peeps are coming from about whites not learning about black history in school and all. I too went to a pre-dom white Catholic high school. Let me say that they taught virtually nothing about black history. Just the bare necessities, if you will. I don't think we even touched upon Malcolm X to be honest. Anyway, when I was in school, the questions would be flowing from left to right from the white kids. I didn't really have a problem answering them b/c I felt that I'd rather them ASK me (or another black person) than ASSUME something crazy. I mean, at that stage, most white teens aren't gonna take the time and look it up in a book (at least the people I knew in high school wouldn't...HA! yeah right!) So when asked, I'd take the opportunity to answer questions, etc. Even when I got to college, I'd still do the same thing w/ the white people I met. We'd get into convos about race, etc. and they'd want to know stuff about black people. Most times, I could tell they were a little afraid to even ask b/c they felt stupid/silly/ignorant for not knowing. But shoo, I don't know everything about every culture, so I didn't hold that against them. So that's why I was really feeling Malik. I felt he knew that Mike just needed a little push b/c he obviously didn't get it in school or at home.

Just my take on it.

[CRMSNTiDEGRL717]

Ok, I don't exactly know what I'll be trying to talk about here, so don't take everything I say to the extreme. Just as "white America" stereotypes blacks, doesn't anyone find it to be that that is a stereotype of "whites" in America?? Just because whites don't understand everything about black culture, doesn't mean they're rascist or anything. Obviously if someone isn't black, they won't understand everything fully. Just as if you aren't white, how can blacks understand everything fully about being "white"? You can't help where you grow up. If someone lives in the "bad" side of town, and gets on RW and talks about their life and stuff they're "keepin' it real", but if a white person who grew up in the spiffy part of town or the suburbs comes on the show and talk about his/her way of life, they are then labeled as the "typical" sheltered, wealthy, dockers type. Maybe someone could enlighten me more on this issue, maybe I'm just ignorant as Coral would put it.
I think Coral is a major b*tch. She's picking on Mike in a manipulative sort of way. How does she know what Mike should know? She didn't grow up where he did. Now, I'm gonna be honest. I don't know much about black history or what not, but considering how much I've been taught about our "white" history, I don't know much about that either. I know when black history month is, and I know who Rosa Parks is. But, I don't know who the guy is that she told him to write a report on. I wasn't taught any black history in school!! Does that mean I wouldn't be willing to learn about it????? NO, it does not. She needs to either drop it(b/c he's apologized), or teach him. If she's not willing to teach him, she needs to quit critisizing(sp) him. I honestly think I could write a 8 pg. essay on this mess, but I think I'll quit for now. Feel free to enlighten me if I'm way off base. Or just express your opinions of my post.

[DST Love]

Originally posted by CRMSNTiDEGRL717:
Ok, I don't exactly know what I'll be trying to talk about here, so don't take everything I say to the extreme. Just as "white America" stereotypes blacks, doesn't anyone find it to be that that is a stereotype of "whites" in America?? Just because whites don't understand everything about black culture, doesn't mean they're rascist or anything. Obviously if someone isn't black, they won't understand everything fully. Just as if you aren't white, how can blacks understand everything fully about being "white"? You can't help where you grow up. If someone lives in the "bad" side of town, and gets on RW and talks about their life and stuff they're "keepin' it real", but if a white person who grew up in the spiffy part of town or the suburbs comes on the show and talk about his/her way of life, they are then labeled as the "typical" sheltered, wealthy, dockers type. Maybe someone could enlighten me more on this issue, maybe I'm just ignorant as Coral would put it.
I think Coral is a major b*tch. She's picking on Mike in a manipulative sort of way. How does she know what Mike should know? She didn't grow up where he did. Now, I'm gonna be honest. I don't know much about black history or what not, but considering how much I've been taught about our "white" history, I don't know much about that either. I know when black history month is, and I know who Rosa Parks is. But, I don't know who the guy is that she told him to write a report on. I wasn't taught any black history in school!! Does that mean I wouldn't be willing to learn about it????? NO, it does not. She needs to either drop it(b/c he's apologized), or teach him. If she's not willing to teach him, she needs to quit critisizing(sp) him. I honestly think I could write a 8 pg. essay on this mess, but I think I'll quit for now. Feel free to enlighten me if I'm way off base. Or just express your opinions of my post.

Okay because this could be a super long post, I will try and keep it simple, although I doubt I can. In my opinion, no matter if a black person lives in the 'hood' or a wealthy neighborhood, there is no way that we would not come into contact with white people in some way or another. Be it at school, shopping, work, TV, magazines, etc. Now for white people, if you choose (knowingly or unknowingly) to only be around white people that can be very possible. White people can have a 100 mile radius where there is just white people in their neighborhood, their schools, their leisure activities. This is why you will hear far more white people say that they have never had contact with black people. Whereas, I haven't known or heard of too many black people that can say they have absolutely never had contact with white people. Even if their neighborhood was totally black and they went to all black schools from elementary on. I guarantee you throughout that time the black person has probably come into a lot of contact with white people.

Also, as someone stated before, history books in any school teach predominately white history and how things affect white people. So of course, we can better look into the lives of white people. Now what do most white kids learn from history class, MLK Jr, Crispus Attucks (the first black killed in the Boston Masacre: I never understood the purpose of the fact), Rosa Parks, and a bit on slavery. My junior year in high school, I was quite the fireball, and I asked my history teacher why I always had to learn about white people and why wasn't I able to learn about black people equally? You know he had the nerve to say it's because black people didn't record their history !! I was like it's funny how I can go to the public library and find all types of books on black history and that my family can educate me on black history yet none of this information is taught in school. But yet for some reason, George Washington cutting down the cherry tree and saying, 'I can never tell a lie' is such an import fact !!

All I'm saying is I can guarantee you that majority black people know way more about white people's lives and history than white people know about black people's lives and history. And I know that to be true based on corporate america, which is where I work. I get sick of educating the white people I went to school with in high school as well as the people I work with (didn't have to do it so much in college because I went to an HBCU) about black people. I will continue to do it because it has to be done but it gets just a little old. Example, a 45-year-old white man that I work with (we're both accountants) asked me why black people don't BELIEVE in getting married before having a baby. I was quite shocked but I knew it to be pure ignorance. I explained that in my experiences majority of the girls in high school that had abortions were white, while most of the black girls chose to have their baby. And that's why it appeared to be that way based on my experiences. I was angry but I didn't show it. Another example, I think most black people understand why more white girls have eating disorders than black girls (that was a story on the news here in Atlanta). Black people know that it is because our men find nice, thick, "healthy" women attractive while white men perfer their women with maybe five pounds more than Calista Flockhart. They interviewed two 13-year-olds, one black, one white. The white one said that white boys want the girls to look like Kate Moss while the black girl said that when she thinks she's fat, the black boys say, "Girl you look good. You thick." Thus making us a little more comfortable with our bodies. When I was an auditor, my manager, a white woman who was dating a black man, kept worrying about not having a big butt or being thick because she had just found out that's what most black men like. It was just all too humorous for me. A white friend of mine from high school who has a big butt and is thick said that black men were the only ones that really accepted her body. So you say what's the point of these stories? It's that black people have always known the difference between what is generally deemed attractive for both races. It was funny to me that white people were just now learning that. I'm sorry one last example, my manager (white man) heard my Soror and co-worker (who is black), saying that she washed her hair once a week or once every two weeks. He starts saying that's gross. Some other white people heard and came around also saying that is gross. So of course for the kazillionth time she and I schooled all of them. We told them why they wash their hair everyday and why we can't. They were like, "I didn't know our hair was that different". Yet it's funny how she and I know.

All I'm saying is white people can choose to not know anything about us because they don't HAVE to see us in their towns, schools, magazines, or on TV. But since we see so much of white people in the workforce, on TV, in magazines, etc., we have no choice but to know about them.

Sorry for such the long post but hope this sheds some light.


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#10 Sigma (Clark Atlanta University) Spring 1999
Currently: MAL, Southern Region

[This message has been edited by DST Love (edited July 12, 2001).]

[ambitious1]

Very well written DSTLove.

[THICKNCHOCLATE]

DST LOVE, your post was very well written and well stated. I agree 110%

[DST Love]

Thanks ambitious1 and THICKNCHOCLATE. I started to feel like I was venting more than I was trying to educate. But either way, I hope my point was clear. I could have went on and on about examples where I knew things about white people and they didn't know those very same types of things about black people, i.e. differences between hair, family make up, opinions of corporate america, etc, etc.

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#10 Sigma (Clark Atlanta University) Spring 1999
Currently: MAL, Southern Region