RU-486

[BrandNubian]

Originally posted by MIDWESTDIVA:
Brand Nubian, thank you for the *hug*

MIDWESTDIVA:

You are quite welcome. Have a great day.

B.N.


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"I thought making a record and receiving some form of public affirmation would bring me the love I desired in my life, only to find that what I wanted no one could give, and what I searched for lived in my heart waiting to be discovered."
-Me'shell Ndegeocello

[Diva_56]

Originally posted by MIDWESTDIVA:


Are you serious? You really think that a married couple should not have sex unless they are ready for parenthood? Do you believe that sex is for purposes of procreation only? Also, I'm not sure where you're coming from with "Christians simply cannot condone the sin of abortion..." The New Testament speaks endlessly of forgiveness, which is the same thing as condoning sin according to Webster's dictionary.

Also, does anyone really think that it is God's divine plan to have all of the young African American and Latino girls walking around pushing strollers at the age of 13, 14, 15, 16, 17? Especially while our young Black men seem to be content to make babies and then move on to the next available coochie? All men aren't like DoggyStyle82. I would have quoted him but his post has mysteriously disappeared.

Also, I get the impression from some of the posts that I've read that if a woman gets pregnant, then she has been punished for commiting the sin of adultery and that she should accept her punishment by having her child. Should children be seen as a punishment? I think they should be seen as a blessing.

If you have read what I have said, Children are a privilage, not a right. A young woman needs to realize that when she has sex whether married or not, there is a possibility of having a baby. 13 year olds pushing around strollers and putting babies in an unstable enviroment is NOT God's plan, but I am sure it is not in God's plan to KILL them either in the womb. Married couples can make educated choices if they are not ready to have a baby... They can simply abstain MUTUALLY, or if they choose to have sex and a baby comes from it, you still DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO KILL IT because your not ready.


Have you read Shalom2U reason as to why she got an abortion, She said and I quote "I was selfish." Abortion is indeed a SELFISH ACT, by killing another life to make yours better.
Also if we educated out men and women to know that sex was made for marriage and not for self gradification OUTSIDE of marriage, then we (The world) wouldn't have this mentality.
Children are not a punishment. Yes their upbringing takes work and many sleepless nights, but the labors are worth it when you see you have produced a productive person in the world. My mother has told me that she wanted to abort me in pregnancy... boy am I glad she didn't!!

The Lord saw ME in the womb that I would be destined for greatness nad spared me!
God forgives all that COME TO HIM... but He is also a JUST God that won't take the sin of abortion lightly...We all will stand before him on judgement day and answer for all we have done.

That's all I have to say today...

AMEN!!

[This message has been edited by Diva_56 (edited October 10, 2000).]

[DoggyStyle82]

Midwest Diva: the reason why I deleted my post was that I have no place in this discussion. Being a man, I cannot tell a woman what to do with her body. However if I were to impregnate a woman outside of marriage, I would encourage her to have the child and/or marry her. My philosophy is to never have unprotected sex with a woman you would not either want marry or want to be the mother of your child. The child is innocent and should not be killed because of someone elses immorality, immaturity, or selfishness. Neither should that child be raised fatherless, wanting, and unloved or properly cared for. This is strictly my opinion. Also, I am a Christian and I consider abortion WRONG FOR ME. I would not IMPOSE my faith on someone else. Faith is not a weapon to beat someones opposing beliefs into submission. Faith is personal and should not be used to belittle or demonize others. The Bible speaks clearly but I understand that women need to wreslte with more emotions and feelings than I can comprehend and whatever decision they make is life-altering. Christians can disagee without being disagreeable,unreasonable, sermonizing, or Holier than thou.

[MIDWESTDIVA]

DoggyStyle82, I disagree with you. You do have a place in this discussion. Your opinion is just as important as any woman's. I would like to thank you and Diva_56 for being so open in your feelings. I can respect people who can come out in the open and say "Midwestdiva, I think what you did was wrong" more than I can respect those who are silently judging me while reading through this thread.

Now, I realize that I have been very vocal on this topic, so hopefully this will be my last post.

There have been many who preached the 6th commandment, Thou Shall Not Murder. There is no way to argue against that, except with the "When does life actually begin" argument. I honestly don't know when life begins, so I will just assume for argument's sake that life begins as soon as a sperm enters an ovum. If that is the case, I am a sinner guilty of murder. Now some have asked, how does a Christian commit a sin like this? Let's take a look at Christianity.

There are some out there who believe that Christianity is merely about following rules and regulations. They usually know these rules very well. I'll list some of them for you: Don't take God's name in vain, Do honor thy father and mother, Don't commit adultery, Do love your neighbor as yourself, Don't kill. You all catch my drift I'm sure. People like this existed in the Bible as well. They are called Pharisees and Sadducees. Now the Pharisees and Sadducees were very intelligent men. They knew the law inside and out, and kept the laws almost as well. However, as intelligent as they were, they were unable to grasp a very important concept-grace. Matthew 9:10-13 NIV states "While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" came and ate with him and his disciples. When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?" On hearing this Jesus said "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: I desire mercy, not sacrifice. For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

I am more than happy to take my place at this table with the rest of the "sinners".

To further explore the concept of grace I now turn to Ephesians 2:1-9 NIV. "As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature, and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature, objects of wrath. But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions-it is by grace you have been saved. and God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of god-not by works; so that noone can boast. Not By Works. This is key information. One cannot earn salvation by doing, or not doing anything. Such a legalistic approach to salvation is consistently condemned in scripture.

Now, am I saying that if one simply has faith they can throw the rules to the wayside? Absolutely not! All things work together for the good. If one has faith, they will want to please the Lord by following his rules. However, even a person with strong faith will sin. Because this person know the difference between right and wrong (the rules and regs), they will feel guilt at have disappointed God. Some will use this opportunity to repent and ask for forgiveness. If you have any questions about my repentance, please refer to my first post. I don't want anyone here to get the wrong idea; your personal opinions of me are not that important. I am just trying to educate.


Now back to the subject matter at hand. It has been said that "we need Jesus". I agree wholeheartedly. But I have to wonder, will doing away with abortion bring about a moral revolution? Will our young ladies, who no longer have the option to abort unwanted pregnancies suddenly discover the virtue of virginity? I seriously doubt it. Abortion is not the problem. It is a symptom of other problems. When we are able to solve these other problems, abortion will no longer be necessary.

I apologize for the length of my post, but I wanted to do some Bible study as well.


Peace and Blessings.....


[This message has been edited by MIDWESTDIVA (edited October 10, 2000).]

[LadyAKA]

Sister MIDWESTDIVA, girl you preach ... I bowed out of the fight awhile ago, because as Mr. Doggystlye stated (please reread his last post) people on this board are using FAITH AS A WEAPON, I am new to my religion and I could not fight like some were, with words, AND MERE WORDS at that!! It should not be that way. I reread all these post and one of the first things you said was "you were telling us this b/c you want to prevent others from following your footsteps" and I think that speaks volumes, after all is said and done, you can now teach one about your experiences. Life is full of them (experiences) and we all go through them differently. I can't condone how the bible was being thrown around here this past week or so, but I like when people speak from the heart.... simple trues are what matters in 'HIS' name.

No one on this little earth is better then the other and we should not talk about judgement day b/c we will all have to confess a thing or three, whether it be abortion or lying or stealing, a sin is a sin is a sin, none looked upon more worse then the other, except of course in the society in which we live, and we know Jesus walks with us but he don't live here on this earth, so our judgements are meaningless!!

Please remember the Christians we claim to be and let's move on - are yall ready to move on to the next topic??

[This message has been edited by LadyAKA (edited October 11, 2000).]

[Diva_56]

MIDWESTDIVA,


I totally agree with your statement,

Jesus said (and I'm paraphrasing here) that he did not come to the earth to abolish he law, but to make sure that the law was FUFILLED. Jesus also knows that even the most mature in Christ will sin, it is part of our sinful nature. I know if a woman really wanted to kill her baby, she could do it whether it was illegal or not. But we as a society legalizing and enabling this pratice is amazing to me. There is although a difference between the christian and the world when it comes to sin.

1. We are saved by GRACE. God has shown MERCY on us by letting Jesus take the place of our sins on Judgement Day.

2. The sinning christian feels that their sin is wrong before God (not that others can't be aware of their sin or even be sorry for it) and wants to be forgiven.

3. Jesus said that when we recieved him that all sins of the past, present, and future will be forgiven on Judgement Day. This however does not give the christian the passport to sin without regret... for a true christian in my eyes will want to turn away from sin completely. But as we grow in the spirit, we becme mature christians and are more able to resist temptation.(part of the requirements of living by faith.)
And as far as knowing of the law, it means nothing without the GRACE AND MERCY OF GOD!

MIDWESTDIVA,

it takes alot of courage to admit what you have here and I know that if you ask for forgiveness (or if you already have) God will surely forgive and forget! Isn't it great to have Jesus on your side?!


Diva_56

[CountryGurl]

What do you think....

The Associated Press
Updated: 6:32 a.m. ET Dec. 17, 2003WASHINGTON - Women may soon have an easier way to help prevent pregnancy after unprotected sex now that government advisers have recommended that morning-after birth control should be sold without a doctor’s prescription.

“It’s extraordinarily safe,” said Dr. Alastair Wood of Vanderbilt University, an adviser to the Food and Drug Administration.

In fact, he said, women probably should keep emergency contraception in their medicine cabinet just in case it’s ever needed. “We don’t tell people to buy a fire extinguisher after the fire started.”

The panel on Tuesday voted in favor of over-the-counter sales of emergency contraception amid concerns from anti-abortion critics and worries from others that easier access to morning-after pills may increase unsafe sex, particularly among teenagers.

Could prevent abortions
But proponents argued there was no evidence that emergency contraception lulls women into complacency about regular birth control or disease. They said wider use of the morning-after pill could cut in half the nation’s 3 million unintended pregnancies each year and in turn prevent hundreds of thousands of abortions.

“There is a public health imperative to increase access to emergency contraception,” said Dr. Vivian Dickerson, president-elect of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.

The FDA isn’t bound by its advisers’ recommendations but usually follows them. A decision is expected in late February.

Asked whether political considerations would be taken into account, FDA Commissioner Mark McClellan said, “We have a lot of information coming in. It’s very much a science-based process.”

The morning-after pill is simply a higher dose of regular hormonal contraception, and is sold by prescription under the brand names Plan B and Preven. Plan B’s manufacturer wants to sell the drug without a prescription, putting it on pharmacy shelves next to the aspirin and cough medicine.

Taken within 72 hours of intercourse, the pills cut the chances of getting pregnant by up to 89 percent. But it can be hard to find a doctor to write a prescription in time, especially on weekends and holidays, contraceptive advocates and the nation’s largest gynecologists group told the FDA on Tuesday.

Morning-after pills prevent ovulation or fertilization, and possibly interfere with implantation of a fertilized egg into the uterus, the medical definition of pregnancy.

If a woman already is pregnant, they have no effect. Consequently, emergency contraception hasn’t proved nearly as controversial as RU-486, the abortion pill.

Teen usage worries
It does have critics who oppose any interference with a fertilized egg, and who argued Tuesday during a daylong hearing that broader access could increase sexually transmitted diseases, especially in teens.

“Without medical advice, use of Plan B by teens will be disastrous,” said Dr. John Bruchalski of the Catholic Medical Association.

Some of FDA’s advisers did want teen access to nonprescription Plan B restricted, arguing there wasn’t enough study of the drug in minors.

Also, “I’m concerned there will be an exploitation of young women’s fears about becoming pregnant,” leading them to overuse, said panelist Dr. Susan Crockett, a Texas gynecologist.

But the FDA responded that there are no age restrictions on prescription Plan B and that it couldn’t enforce any on an over-the-counter version. Other advisers said teens in particular should avoid pregnancy.

The FDA asked its scientific advisers whether women could use the drug properly without professional advice. They could, the panel decided, voting 23-4 to recommend over-the-counter sales.

The key, they cautioned, would be clearer wording on the package so that women understand:
—The drug must be used as soon as possible after unprotected sex. Although it’s effective for 72 hours, and possibly a little longer, it works best in the first 24 hours.
—Like other hormonal contraceptives, it does not protect against sexually transmitted diseases.
—It is a backup contraceptive, and should not be used instead of routine birth control.
Cost could deter some women from using emergency contraception too regularly. Each one-time-use pack today costs $20 to $30, about as much as a month’s worth of regular birth control pills. It’s not clear if the over-the-counter price would change.
Manufacturer Barr Laboratories promised a massive consumer education campaign, including a 24-hour hot line for advice on using the drug.

To improve access, California, Washington, Alaska, Hawaii and New Mexico already allow women to buy the morning-after pill directly from certain pharmacists without a prescription.

The FDA should not require pharmacists to dispense Plan B, most advisers agreed.

[nikki1920]

The main difference with the Morning After Pill and RU 486 is what each does. Ru 486 causes expulsion of implanted cells. The Pill will PREVENT implantation.

I wont get into the religious aspect of it b/c:
1. Its my relationship with Him
2. You interpretation of life is not mine

Politically, its my body, please keep your laws out of it. I am pro-choice b/c I feel that no one should tell a woman what to do with her body. Period.

Think on this: China has a one baby, one family policy. Boys are more valued than girls. So if a couple gets pregnant, they pray for a boy. If its a girl, many run to government sponsored clinics for abortions. Who is more wrong: the woman in the US who gets pregnant accidentally and aborts her baby or the Chinese woman who has an abortion b/c she wants a boy?

Its very complicated. When you throw religion into it, you lose a lot of people b/c not everyone has the same beliefs.
Life is about choices. Choices mean consequences. Its up to each person to determine whether or not they can live with their choices and the consequences.