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Old 09-02-2003, 10:32 PM
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Ok abortion is legal. Kind of like ritual execution of a fetus. Ok I can dig it.

So, is a situation the causes a miscariage or the murder of the mother count as as murder of the fetus also? That is the legislation that Congress is considering.

Laci Peterson double homicide comes to mind.
There are fetal homicide statutes in 24 states, including PA. One woman in serving 3-7 years (I'm pretty sure) for causing a woman to miscarry a 11-week baby. They did have to prove that the woman knew that the other woman was pregnant at the time, however.
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Old 09-03-2003, 05:24 AM
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I don't support the death penalty, I never have and I never will. Didn't anyone else ever learn that two wrongs do NOT make a right? Just because he killed someone does not justify us killing him. That makes us no better than him at all. Put him in jail for the rest of his life, that's more of a punishment as he will have to live with knowing what he did every single day for the rest of his entire life.
That's fine as long as only your taxes are paying for his jail time/food/TV etc... I am tired of supporting these people. I think we can use the money for better things like education. And I know what some people are going to say-it costs more to put someone to death than to live in jail-well maybe we as a society should look at this too.

All I can say is: Can I give the injection? I'll bring my bottle of beuth-it's cheap and quick.
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Old 09-03-2003, 08:45 AM
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That's fine as long as only your taxes are paying for his jail time/food/TV etc... I am tired of supporting these people. I think we can use the money for better things like education. And I know what some people are going to say-it costs more to put someone to death than to live in jail-well maybe we as a society should look at this too.

All I can say is: Can I give the injection? I'll bring my bottle of beuth-it's cheap and quick.
I would rather have my tax money pay for it than try and play God by killing him. If I ok the execution of him then essentially I'm just as bad as he is. Why is his life any less valuable than anyone else's? And YES I know he did something incredibly horrible and wrong, but if you kill him he will never even live to try and feel some remorse and guilt. And yea maybe he never would, but that's a chance we have to take. Yall are letting him have the easy way out.

I've said this before already but I'll say it again. TWO WRONGS DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT!!!!
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Old 09-03-2003, 09:47 AM
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And YES I know he did something incredibly horrible and wrong, but if you kill him he will never even live to try and feel some remorse and guilt. And yea maybe he never would, but that's a chance we have to take. Yall are letting him have the easy way out.
They've interviewed him and he has no remorse for what he's done. He said that he would've felt bad if he did not do what he did. He is not sorry, doesn't give a rat's behind how we feel about the matter and therefore is not asking nor looking for forgiveness from anyone.

I hope he doesn't think he's going to heaven for his "deed". He's in for a rude awakening!!!
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Old 09-03-2003, 10:01 AM
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One of my friend wondered why he isn't called a Christian Terrorist. The way he speaks, his action mirror with Muslims Terrorist. Is this a double standard?
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Old 09-03-2003, 10:05 AM
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One of my friend wondered why he isn't called a Christian Terrorist. The way he speaks, his action mirror with Muslims Terrorist. Is this a double standard?
Quick hijack

There is a double standard when it comes to our country's own home grown terriost (Think Tim McVey) as opposed to those from outside of our country.

However, I think this is ANOTHER thread entirely because it would depend on how you really define the label "terriost".
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Old 09-03-2003, 11:09 AM
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I hope he doesn't think he's going to heaven for his "deed". He's in for a rude awakening!!!
oh but he does think he is going to heaven. and he also thinks he will be looked at as a martyr. Here's the article from usatoday.com:

Posted 9/2/2003 11:28 PM Updated 9/3/2003 5:30 AM

Abortion foe faces execution in Fla.
By Deborah Sharp, USA TODAY

Paul Hill is scheduled to be executed in Florida Wednesday, still convinced that he was doing God's work when he killed a doctor and an abortion clinic volunteer in Pensacola, Fla., in 1994.

"The sooner I am executed ... the sooner I am going to heaven," Hill told reporters in a prison news conference Tuesday. "I expect a great reward in heaven. I am looking forward to glory. I don't feel remorse. More people should act as I have acted."

Barring a stay, Hill, 49, will be the first person in the nation to be executed for murder related to anti-abortion extremism.

Mainstream groups that oppose abortion have denounced violent activists such as Hill and Eric Rudolph, who is awaiting trial for a 1998 clinic bombing in Birmingham, Ala., that killed an off-duty police officer. But Hill has supporters who call him a hero.

"He did kill somebody, but it was justifiable homicide," says the Rev. Donald Spitz, director of Pro-Life Virginia and Hill's spiritual adviser. "Those babies needed to be protected."

Abortion-rights advocates fear Hill's execution will create a martyr and reignite the type of violence by fringe groups that left seven doctors or clinic workers dead in the 1990s.

"We're extremely concerned about a backlash," says Vicki Saporta, president of the National Abortion Federation. "They've proven they will stop at nothing — including murder — to advance their agenda."

The national group's 400 member clinics have increased security because of the execution, Saporta says.

In Florida, several state officials received bullets in the mail in recent weeks, with anonymous letters warning of violence in the event of Hill's execution. Gov. Jeb Bush, a convert to the Roman Catholic faith who opposes abortion, has been threatened in Internet chat rooms for signing Hill's death warrant.

Abortion remains a polarizing issue. But violence at clinics has waned, partly because of aggressive prosecution of extremists and federal laws that ban blockades.

About 1.3 million abortions are performed in the USA annually, down from 1.6 million in 1990, according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, which researches reproductive issues.

Public opinion has shifted slightly since the Supreme Court ruling in 1973 that granted women the right to legal abortions: In 1975, 22% of Americans polled by Gallup said the procedure should always be illegal. This year, 18% felt the same way, according to a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll.

The last murder of a U.S. abortion provider occurred in 1998, when Barnett Slepian was shot through the window of his home in Amherst, N.Y. James Kopp, who has been linked to other abortion-related shootings in the USA and Canada, is serving 25 years to life in the Slepian case.

Hill's execution by lethal injection, at Florida State Prison near Starke, is scheduled for 6 p.m. Supporters plan prayer vigils and a moment of silence in Hill's honor.

Contributing: Associated Press

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...ion-usat_x.htm

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Old 09-03-2003, 07:01 PM
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Well, it's all done now. Paul Hill was the first person to be executed for anti-abortion violence.

He probably won't be the last. This fringe is a sick bunch. Another of his mentors was arrested earlier this summer for sexually assaulting some of the young pregnant women who lived in his "home" for "girls in trouble." Yuck.

And yes, I consider him a terrorist just in the way I did McVeigh and Atta.
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Old 09-03-2003, 07:08 PM
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"Supporters plan prayer vigils and a moment of silence in Hill's honor."

In Hill's honor? What kind of BS is that?
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Old 09-03-2003, 07:08 PM
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He probably won't be the last. This fringe is a sick bunch. Another of his mentors was arrested earlier this summer for sexually assaulting some of the young pregnant women who lived in his "home" for "girls in trouble." Yuck.

i am officially disgusted
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Old 09-03-2003, 07:17 PM
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I really enjoied watching Anderson Cooper grill Paul Hill's "Spiritual Advisor" on CNN Tuesday Night. He was claiming that Mr. Hills actions were justified and he was acting in a god liek manner. Anderson was, "So then if your godly, why dotn you pick up a gun." And the dude was, "Cause I cant do everything." And Anderson was all "Chicken" it was hillarious. OBviously Anderson agrees with the 99.999997% of us on the planet that this loon is evil and it was funny. He wasnt very true to his journalistic obligations and his bleiefs were obvious, but I had to enjoy it.

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Old 09-03-2003, 07:19 PM
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I really enjoied watching Anderson Cooper grill Paul Hill's "Spiritual Advisor" on CNN Tuesday Night. He was claiming that Mr. Hills actions were justified and he was acting in a god liek manner. Anderson was, "So then if your godly, why dotn you pick up a gun." And the dude was, "Cause I cant do everything." And Anderson was all "Chicken" it was hillarious. OBviously Anderson agrees with the 99.999997% of us on the planet that this loon is evil and it was funny. He wasnt very true to his journalistic obligations and his bleiefs were obvious, but I had to enjoy it.

Freaks.

i think poor anderson was just pissed
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Old 09-03-2003, 07:38 PM
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One of my friend wondered why he isn't called a Christian Terrorist. The way he speaks, his action mirror with Muslims Terrorist. Is this a double standard?
Damn straight it is. If he doesn't get called a terrorist, then I don't want to hear that word again, because it really has no meaning anymore. And is Hill really a Presbyterian minister? Presbyterian? As in "one of the most liberal, accepting denominations" Presbyterian? There are quite a few types of Presbyterianism (I was raised Presby) so I wonder what "type" he is. Some sub-denominations are more conservative than others. Anyone know?
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Old 09-03-2003, 10:21 PM
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There's absolutely no doubt that Hill was a terrorist. And since he hasn't shown remorse for his action, he's probably enjoying a Hades weenie roast with the 9/11 guys.
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Old 09-03-2003, 10:31 PM
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pop the marshmallows for the 9-11 guys and their new buddy. maybe a graham cracker for a sammore.
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