NPC Rush - Can something be done to reduce/eradicate the number of "bidless" rushees? - Page 5

PreppyGirl · #61 08-19-2003, 11:29 AM

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I think that "regret with interest" happens this way: Polly PNM gets invited back to seven houses but can only go to five. She doesn't want to go to one, so that's easy, but she has a hard time choosing between the other six, so she finally chooses five and regrets ABC with interest. If, for some reason, she's cut from all but three houses on a four-party day, ABC can invite her to their party if they want to.[/B]

We also use regret with interest at my school. It works really well and we have invited girls back who cut us early in the week and they have become great sisters!! It also helps to make snap bid lists and do COB stuff because you know who will consider joining and who has absolutely no interest.

KappaKittyCat · #62 08-20-2003, 07:47 PM

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Originally posted by DWAlphaGam
At my school, most of the bidless PNMs were ones that wanted the big popular chapter or nothing, even though the smaller houses-mine and one other chapter-have fantastic, welcoming, and close sisterhoods, so it's hard for me to have any sympathy for them, which definitely clouds my opinion.

That's exactly my situation, too.

TxGirl · #63 08-21-2003, 04:19 PM

Release figures are a recommendation in the green book and cannot be enforced unless in is stated that they will be used in your school Panhellenic Recruitment Rules. If it is in there then you cannot invite back more than whatever you number is. This number is figured by the computer and given out by panhellenic to each chapter.

Release figures are based on an individual chapters return rates for the last three years. I don't remember what the exact formula is, but it figures in what quota would be at that point, the average return rate for the last three years and the number of events a pnm can attend. For the chapters will higher return rates this equals into a higher number of women to release. For those with lower return rates it equals a lower number of women to release.

Unfortunately, this is only a recommendation from NPC - so panhellenics do not have to use it unless they want to. NPC is also piloting a new release figure system this year - supposedly it will have the chapters with higher returns releasing more than the old system. I haven't seen the formula yet so I don't know for sure how it works.

tunatartare · #64 07-09-2006, 11:56 PM

Giving this thread a great big BUMP so as not to start a new one on a similar subject. With regard to bidless rushees, when you see girls after recruitment, do you feel guilty? We had a girl go through recruitment when I was a rho chi who didn't get a bid. She friended me on facebook and myspace and is social with some of my friends. Every time I see her and we talk, I tend to feel a little guilty (especially if I'm going to something sorority-related) because she never got that chance. I was talking to one of my pledge sisters about it and she thinks that we have no reason why we should feel guilty when girls go bidless because there are reasons for it. What are people's thoughts on this?

KSUViolet06 · #65 07-10-2006, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by KLPDaisy

Giving this thread a great big BUMP so as not to start a new one on a similar subject. With regard to bidless rushees, when you see girls after recruitment, do you feel guilty?

Not usually. I've got no reason to feel guilty because membership selection decisions are up to the whole chapter.

FSUZeta · #66 07-10-2006, 08:11 AM

a lot of campuses have large #'s of pnms going thru recruitment,so remembering a pnm who is not invited back, unless you personally rushed them one evening, is low. you have not made any promises to the pnm, she has had as fair a chance as anyone else and the chips fell the way they did. i have felt bad for pnms whom i met and felt would not be asked to join any group.

in that same vein, the pnm should not feel guilty if she receives an invitation to a party and declines the invitation. she needs to find the group that best fits her needs and wants.

tunatartare · #67 07-10-2006, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta

a lot of campuses have large #'s of pnms going thru recruitment,so remembering a pnm who is not invited back, unless you personally rushed them one evening, is low. you have not made any promises to the pnm, she has had as fair a chance as anyone else and the chips fell the way they did. i have felt bad for pnms whom i met and felt would not be asked to join any group.

in that same vein, the pnm should not feel guilty if she receives an invitation to a party and declines the invitation. she needs to find the group that best fits her needs and wants.

At my school we usually have between 8-45 girls rushing and at most 2-3 of them don't get bids. It's a rarity by us to go bidless which is why I tend to feel bad.

adpiucf · #68 07-10-2006, 10:44 AM

I think that everyone puts their best foot forward at recruitment. If all play fair, there should be no regrets. Recruitment counselors counsel, sorority women are gracious hostesses and PNMs go in with good intentions. Some women are not right for certain chapters, and others refuse to make the effort with the chapters that have shown interest in them. Still other women are just not a good fit for the Greek System.

Yes, there are cases of great ladies being cross-cut, shut out of chapters because of their perceived legacy preferences, etc., but I think overall that everyone does make an effort to fill the new member classes with the women who are right for their chapters.

As has been said in past threads, if we match every single woman with her top choice minus the chapter's preferences being considered, where is the mutual selection? Just because you have been asked back to a second job interview doesn't mean that the hiring manager should feel guilty for giving an offer to another candidate. Everyone has a shot.

I think one thing that has been working on some campuses is giving PNMs a better idea of where they stand earlier in the process-- when the chapters with historically higher returns have to cut a larger percentage of women earlier on.

33girl · #69 07-10-2006, 11:04 AM

Even in a smaller system - or maybe I should say especially in a smaller system - there are times when the woman isn't a good fit for any of the sororities or vice versa. It would be worse to give a "pity bid" to someone you didn't really want, or for them to feel miserable in a sorority they didn't really want.

ASUADPi · #70 07-10-2006, 11:59 AM

Question about IU- Is the situation with FR still the same now (2006) as it was in 2003?

Here's another thing I kind of question, if the school does in fact have 1000 girls rushing (I'm saying this number after the grade cut, and it is probably more now being 3 years later) but roughly only 800 girls get bids, it seems to me that probably every house is at total, correct?

I don't know a lot about expansion, but it seems to me if you have 19 houses (is that the right number?) and there are 7 chapters not on campus, each house is at total (quite possibly above total), this would be the perfect time for expansion. Because obviously your greek life is getting more girls who want to participate than you can accomodate. Plus, if all the houses are at total by the end of FR, forget COR.

Someone who knows more about expansion or IU, because I don't get it.

KSUViolet06 · #71 07-10-2006, 12:01 PM

I really don't think much can be done to eliminate/reduce the # of bidless PNMs. If we place EVERY girl without considering the chapter's preferences, then selection is no longer mutual. I'd rather see a girl go without a bid than get bid by a chapter out of a need to place EVERYONE ("i.e. a pity bid").

I think my school makes a very good effort to place everyone. Out of maybe 150 girls, only one or 2 end up unmatched at the end. And let's face it, there are girls who for whatever reason just NOT a good fit for any chapter that's participating. Who knows why? They just aren't matched. But I don't feel like any chapter should be obligated to take them because of that.

Then there are girls who fail to maximize their options, to which I say "cry me a river".

AZ-AlphaXi · #72 07-10-2006, 12:08 PM

My guess with IU is that the problem is more a housing issue than one of numbers. How would a chapter do at IU without a house?

33girl · #73 07-10-2006, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AZ-AlphaXi

My guess with IU is that the problem is more a housing issue than one of numbers. How would a chapter do at IU without a house?

Crappy.

ASUADPi · #74 07-10-2006, 12:13 PM

Didn't someone post early that AOPi came back to the campus in 2003 (sounds like) without a house and then still got 150 girls? Their house is probably done now, but if AOPi could do it, it seems like the other chapters might be able to do it. (Brianna is shrugging her shoulders though)

jhujenn · #75 07-10-2006, 03:51 PM

My understanding was when AOPi recolonized at IU, plans were underway to build a chapter house and my guess the house was ready by recruitment the next year. The problem with IU is that there isn't a quota or total that applies to all of the chapters at IU. The individual chapters take how many women they need to fill the house the next year. So total is how many women can live in the chapter house and quota is how many women are graduating the May after recruitment.

I also know for a fact at least two chapters at IU participate in COR annually.