Duck Dynasty

[DubaiSis]

I think that's why the right is all up at arms about A&E firing them, but the left is (as far as I can see) just laughing about how dumb it all is. Nobody I've seen has actually cared that the guy said it because you can expect no better from those kinds of people. The discussion has solely been about whether A&E should/should not cancel the show and if another station will/won't pick it up.
For my vote, yes A&E had the right to fire him and doing so was not out of line with their mission and yes, another station will pick up the show and wring another season or two out. But being on some far right station it will lose its "normal" viewership, and preaching to the choir doesn't sell product.

I feel sorry for these people. They are losing their way of life and going down kicking and screaming. I think American society is evolving and leaving these yayhoos in the dust, and they don't like it. So in the meantime they are causing havoc for the rest of us who see that time has marched on and you're NEVER getting back Jim Crow (plus intolerance of gays and general abuse of women), no matter how many tea-partiers you elect.

[tcsparky]

I am very active with the Federation of Republican Women and have attended numerous Tea Party events with friends. These events have always had multiple races/ethnicities present, and I personally know that several of the attendees are homosexuals. I have NEVER heard anyone at any of these meetings (even private closed-door meetings) say that they would like to bring back Jim Crow nor advocate for abusing women. In fact, what I am hearing is that they would like for everyone to be treated with respect, INCLUDING Christians. The issues I am involved in, and that I have heard discussed, are not about race or religion, or even morals or ethics. But about making our communities better places for everyone.

[/QUOTE] you're NEVER getting back Jim Crow (plus intolerance of gays and general abuse of women), no matter how many tea-partiers you elect.[/QUOTE]

[DubaiSis]

blah blah blah white Christians are being abused lately blah blah blah.

[tcsparky]

DubaiSis.....how am I supposed to learn from your wisdom when you all you have to say is blah blah blah??????

I don't see that I said ANYTHING about Christians being abused. I am making the point that in my 12 years of being ACTIVELY involved in politics, specifically Republican Women, I have never ever ever heard these things that others state as fact about the beliefs of the people involved. I am totally confused about the origin of the statements, or why people think that I must personally feel this way, simply they have been told by someone or the media that people in this particular group feel this way. I have even gone around asking others in my groups about these issues with the intent of locating the people in my group who hold these opinions....and can't find them.

And again, I never said anything about Christians being abused. I will now, however, say that Christians are being abused in Egypt under the current regime. But that has nothing to do with our current discusison of Duck Dynasty. Which is a totally hilarious, fun-filled show!!

[DubaiSis]

My apologies. You specifically stated that Christians need to be treated with respect. I think that can be extrapolated out to mean that these people think that Christians are not at present being treated with respect. I think there are many people within your fold (not you specifically of course) who are bent on the destruction of America in hopes of bringing back a simpler day when women, gays, blacks, everyone who is not white male and Christian, knew their place. Fighting against rights of all kinds for all people, IMO, is fighting for the destruction of our country. Some redneck on TV isn't going to do much harm, but the electeds who agree with him sure can.

But I honor your efforts. If the Republican party were run by women we would have a much more interesting, nuanced discussion in Washington.

[tcsparky]

We're doing our best! Our National President has a seat on the RNC, so at least we can sure we're heard, even if they don't always do the smart thing and follow our directions!

[honeychile]

I quoted this on my Facebook page. Even though I'm not a huge fan of Rick Warren, he nails this one.

“Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.”
~Rick Warren

One of the posts following this: I would add, "don't judge, don't hate, respect one another, live and let live, keep an open heart".

[33girl]

Originally Posted by honeychile

I quoted this on my Facebook page. Even though I'm not a huge fan of Rick Warren, he nails this one.

“Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.”
~Rick Warren

One of the posts following this: I would add, "don't judge, don't hate, respect one another, live and let live, keep an open heart".

And I'm sure that if someone in Rick Warren's employ gave an interview to Ladies' Home Journal where they said something that makes him look like a jackass for employing them, he'd fire them.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

Nobody I've seen has actually cared that the guy said it because you can expect no better from those kinds of people.

Somehow, the suggestion that "you can expect no better from those kinds of people" seems a bit ironic under the circumstances.

[Sciencewoman]

In the What is your favorite word(s) that you never get to use? thread,I said that I like the word whackadoodle, which I use to describe goofs who express extreme viewpoints.

Well, I get to use it to describe this guy.

[maconmagnolia]

I also have a question for his supporters - What if Phil had made derogatory statements against Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Jews, Catholics, or Muslims? Would they still be so quick to defend him? How is this so different? I mean, after all, nobody chooses their sexual orientation anymore than they choose their race..

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by maconmagnolia

I also have a question for his supporters - What if Phil had made derogatory statements against Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Jews, Catholics, or Muslims? Would they still be so quick to defend him? How is this so different? I mean, after all, nobody chooses their sexual orientation anymore than they choose their race..

I don't think so because of three big reasons.
- a lot of people still think that homosexuality is a choice.
- People can and still excuse their homophobia as "religious beliefs".
- We have LAWS in place that actively discriminate against gays.

Unfortunately the LGBT community is one of the few remaining minority groups that its culturally acceptable to discriminate against.

[candygirl200413]

Originally Posted by maconmagnolia

I also have a question for his supporters - What if Phil had made derogatory statements against Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Jews, Catholics, or Muslims? Would they still be so quick to defend him? How is this so different? I mean, after all, nobody chooses their sexual orientation anymore than they choose their race..

well he did mention blacks in that statement along with gays, but majority of people just haven't really focused on that

[DrPhil]

Sidebar: It takes more than "celebrity" to warrant your stupidity and firing being announced to the public.

http://news.msn.com/world/pr-exec-lo...ost-about-aids

And the world hasn't paused for any of these incidents. Other important topics and social issues have not been lost. Just like social issues didn't cease in existence or importance just because time was taken to laugh at Miley Cyrus' lack of rhythm.

[DrPhil]

1. Phil responds: http://t.entertainment.msn.com/duck-...ersial-remarks

This isn't Sensitivity Training and most people aren't trying to change his mind about homosexuality. I would like for him to learn about the history of Black labor to make his Louisiana Tech degree proud. That aside, his viewpoints are his viewpoints. He isn't being discriminated or oppressed based on his viewpoints. He is in the power majority. He isn't a member of an oppressed, marginalized, and discriminated against group.

Here is his checklist:

a. Christian CHECK
b. White CHECK
c. Man CHECK
d. Heterosexual and heteromasculinity CHECK
e. Working poor/class CHECK FOR WHITES
f. American Dream of success through hard work CHECK
g. "Protestant Ethic" and ability to compare success to
Jesus turning water into wine CHECK
h. Ability to grow long beards and dress and speak a certain way because your white privilege is recognizable and rewarded regardless CHECK

2. Cracker Barrel took Duck Dynasty stuff off the shelf and that upset customers. They put the stuff back on the shelf. I respect CB attempting to respond to this but they learned what they probably already knew. The CB customers (in general) fit a particular demographic that is more similar to that of Duck Dynasty and that includes cultural identifiers like socioeconomic status (both before and after the DD family became rich) and conservative religious viewpoints.

As an aside, I hate CB food and cringe when people want me to eat there. The food has always tasted nasty to me. I avoid CB like the plague.