E-Mails Suggest Paterno Role in Silence on Sandusky

[33girl]

My prediction:

Every cent of scholarship money lost is made up by PSU alums and private scholarships are created (thus opening the door to more chicanery if they get into the wrong peoples' hands).

Take that one to the bank.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by 33girl

My prediction:

Every cent of scholarship money lost is made up by PSU alums and private scholarships are created (thus opening the door to more chicanery if they get into the wrong peoples' hands).

Take that one to the bank.

They would if they are dumb. That WOULD lead to the death penalty if they were caught. You do something that stupid on probation, and you deserve what you get.

[AXOmom]

^^^ Well my understanding of the situation could be totally off, and usually what they do is simply offer fewer scholarships next year and the next, etc. to keep under the total - ESPN says to stay at 65 they will probably be able to offer only 15 new scholarships for the next few years (it's typically around 25 for most schools).

If I'm off on that however, and they do have to let guys go to stay under the limit (sometimes coaches have been known to "encourage" guys to quit to make room for more talented newcomers and stay under the limit), they couldn't honor their athletic scholarship if they kicked them off because that scholarship still counts against their total whether they play or not (I think-there may be an exception for medical issues and maybe this situation would qualify as well). They could switch them to an academic or need based scholarship depending on the circumstances, I suppose.

[DrPhil]

Penn State loses its first player.

[knight_shadow]

Do we really think that dedication to a flagship university is unique to Pennsylvania/Penn State?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Do we really think that dedication to a flagship university is unique to Pennsylvania/Penn State?

No, not at all. I'm sure we'd be having the same discussion if this had happened at Ole Miss (random example). I do think it's different from state to state, though. So many people have had to leave PA because of the job situation.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by 33girl

No, not at all. I'm sure we'd be having the same discussion if this had happened at Ole Miss (random example). I do think it's different from state to state, though. So many people have had to leave PA because of the job situation.

Right. I was going to say -- take a stroll through College Station if you think "you have to live in Pennsylvania to understand it"

But, to be frank, the job situation doesn't really have anything to do with this situation. A job market didn't touch those kids. A university didn't touch those kids. A sick man did. I understand that the 24-hour news cycle has a lot to do with this, but it's a bit excessive now.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Right. I was going to say -- take a stroll through College Station if you think "you have to live in Pennsylvania to understand it"

But, to be frank, the job situation doesn't really have anything to do with this situation. A job market didn't touch those kids. A university didn't touch those kids. A sick man did. I understand that the 24-hour news cycle has a lot to do with this, but it's a bit excessive now.

You misunderstood what I'm trying to say.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by 33girl

You misunderstood what I'm trying to say.

I got "Penn State was able to survive when other things in the state weren't able to. It's the shining light of our state."

If that's what you intended, then that's fine. But (to me) that's not relevant to this situation. It's just people trying to grasp at ANYTHING to make sense of what happened. Instead of thinking about "What could Penn State have done?" I think the focus should be "Why did Sandusky do this shit?" I don't think you (33girl) are continuing to bring it back to the school, since it's the 24-hour news cycle who is trying to connect all the (irrelevant) dots.

[DrPhil]

Rob Bolden transfers to LSU.


Silas Redd transfers to USC.


Sandusky is loony.

[AOII Angel]

I called LSU picking up a QB. One of my AOII sisters from PA was lamenting that the poor players would have no where to go, and I told her that quality players would be picked up quickly. LSU always has a need for QBs.

[thewasher418]

Louis LSU would be a terrible name for a boy.... </wrongthread >

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by thewasher418

Louis LSU would be a terrible name for a boy.... </wrongthread >

Well is is French at least.

[AXOmom]

[QUOTE=ASTalumna06;2163390]Thank you!
QUOTE]
As I said to 33girl, I can't see anything I said that would qualify as jumping down your throat. If that's the case I apologize, but could I ask what I said that gave you that impression?

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

Can someone please point out to me where I said that Penn State's situation is unique? Where did I say that there are no other schools in the country that can compare to PSU?
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No, you're right, you did not say it was unique (and for the record I never said that you had stated there were no other schools in the country that could compare to PSU, so I'm not sure where that's coming from), but this comment:

"My point is that basically the entire state IS Penn State.... But what I'm saying is that a huge chunk of Pennsylvanians live and breathe Penn State, even if they never attend the school. It is THE school in PA. That's not to say that other schools in PA aren't great or worth going to.. And I'm not saying Penn State is the best.. it's just that Penn State is a way of life for A LOT of people."

does come across that way. It sounds like you find it unusual at the very least, and the point being made to you by myself and others is that it isn't even all that unusual. The fact that you said it to support something als463 said and she has made several statements that have an even stronger "Penn State is a special snowflake" implication to them added further to this impression. If we misunderstood you, then I apologize, but since there were several of us who misunderstood you, then I think you should consider that in the context of the thread, what you said came across in a way you didn't intend.

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

I originally agreed with als463's response to this:

... and basically said that with the Penn State pride I've seen among students, alumni, and PA residents, I wouldn't be so quick to assume that every parent of a football player would turn their child away from playing at PSU.

als463's response was to something I said to 33girl concerning the likelihood that football players with ties to Penn State would forego scholarships to other schools in order to play without a scholarship to Penn State, but her response had to do with her view that parents whose kids (any kids -not limited to football plalyers) had scholarships to other schools might still send them to Penn State. I don't disagree with her view on that - it just had nothing to do with my response to 33girl which strictly dealt with football players, so her comment wasn't really relevant.

I also never said that EVERY parent of a football player would turn their child away from playing at PSU and never assumed any such thing. As a matter of fact I stated that some parents under some conditions might encourage their boys to do that, but I mentioned several reasons why I didn't think it was likely that many would (for one thing I don't think there would be many who fit that criteria to begin with).

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

All I said was that I've never experienced anything like it before. And I haven't. Maybe if I moved to Alabama, or Texas, or other states that people threw at me, I might.

And this was the only point that was being made to you.

Again, I understand that we probably did completely misunderstand you, but I hope you understand why you were misunderstood.

By the way, (and this part isn't directed at you ASTalumna06) I found this survey recently given out by Penn State to their alums interesting.

http://alumni.psu.edu/about_us/2012-alumni-opinion-survey

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AXOmom

http://alumni.psu.edu/about_us/2012-...opinion-survey

Wow.

I'm all for conducting research but that is a bit strange.