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10-21-2008, 03:36 PM
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McCain's Black Relatives
Interesting articles:
"Two Families Named McCain: Candidate's Kin Share a History With Descendants of Slaves"
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1224...googlenews_wsj
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Lillie McCain is watching the presidential campaign from a singular perspective.
A 56-year-old psychology professor whose family spans five generations from the enslavement of her great-great-grandparents to her own generation's fight for civil rights, Ms. McCain appreciates the social changes that have opened the way for Sen. Barack Obama to be the first major-party black contender for the White House.
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"Some of McCain's black relatives support Obama"
http://www.sfltimes.com/index.php?op...2041&Itemid=42
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In the rural Teoc community of Carroll County, Miss., where the ancestors of Sen. John McCain owned enslaved Africans on a plantation, black, white and mixed-race family members unite every two years for their Coming Home Reunion, on the land where the plantation operated.
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Have these been posted already?
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10-21-2008, 06:58 PM
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Seriously? Pretty sure by the time McCain could buy his own slaves, slavery was against the law. And how far down the line are these relatives?
Who cares?
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10-21-2008, 08:18 PM
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Perhaps, but he also denied his family's slave-owning past and then claimed to gloss over the section about the family slaves when he read a relative's memoir. I completely understand why he would do that...
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10-21-2008, 08:59 PM
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John McCain's family own slaves.....I'm shocked.
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10-22-2008, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Phrozen1ne
John McCain's family own slaves.....I'm shocked. 
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yeah...ditto that surprise.
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10-22-2008, 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by PM_Mama00
Seriously? Pretty sure by the time McCain could buy his own slaves, slavery was against the law.
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Are you suggesting that McCain was a child during the antebellum period?
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10-22-2008, 08:46 AM
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Are you suggesting that McCain was a child during the antebellum period? 
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Yes.
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10-21-2008, 09:22 PM
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Well this confirms it.
This election has nothing to do with race.
Nothing to see here.
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10-22-2008, 08:27 AM
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Has anyone checked whether or not Obama's family owned slaves?
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10-22-2008, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Kevin
Has anyone checked whether or not Obama's family owned slaves?
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Better question: Does anyone care?
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10-22-2008, 08:35 AM
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Better question: Does anyone care?
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Apparently someone cares enough about this question to act like it's a big deal (and post it), so if this is such an important issue in judging candidates maybe they should.
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10-22-2008, 08:44 AM
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Didn't most white families who lived in America own slaves at some point?
What does someone's ancestors have to do with them now?
And if we wanna go there, let's talk about Obama's mama and how his dad was an alcoholic drunk driver. Or why DID Obama change his name from Barry to Barack if he is not Muslim or ever was....
(I'm neither an Obama nor McCain supporter)
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10-22-2008, 09:48 AM
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Didn't most white families who lived in America own slaves at some point?
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No. While it might be true that most white Americans today whose ancestors came here long enough ago could find at least one slave-owning ancestor in his or her family tree, most white families did not own slaves.
To give one snapshot: According to the 1860 Census, about 25% percent of families in the 15 states where slavery was legal owned slaves. (Meaning about 75% of families in those states did not own slaves.) Per that same census, this translated into about 8% of all white American families owning slaves.
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Or why DID Obama change his name from Barry to Barack if he is not Muslim or ever was....
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He didn't change his name; his name has always been Barack, just like his father for whom he is named. Barry was a nickname -- it's no different from the kid Tommy deciding to be the adult Thomas (or Tomás).
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10-23-2008, 02:27 PM
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Didn't most white families who lived in America own slaves at some point?
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No. Very few people owned slaves...
According to this data: http://www.civil-war.net/census.asp?census=Total
8% did.
Furthermore, what does it matter whether or not his family owned slaves? He's not his ancestors. No one is.
Edit: I know my ancestors did, the German side came over in the late 1880's and the English side were Quakers (vehemently opposed to slavery)
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10-23-2008, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid
I don't care what the percentage is...I am still stuck on the fact that millions were hauled here in the first place and God only knows how many died from those shores to these shores...this is why I even hate discussing this type of stuff because it's always someone trying to minimalize the impact that the Slave trade had...I don't care if it was 1% ...there are still issues that have gone on for 400+ years we still haven't resolved yet.
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DS, I don't think anyone is trying to minimize it. I know I'm not and wouldn't.
Some of us have been responding to a specific question:
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Didn't most white families who lived in America own slaves at some point?
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It's not minimizing the extent of slavery to say that a specific claim is not accurate.
I agree that we haven't resolved all of these issues yet. I'd add that we won't unless we are honest about the history, which means both not minimizing and not making claims that aren't true historically.
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