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Old 02-05-2007, 03:12 PM
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<not sarcastic>And if parents aren't doing their jobs, the kids should probably be vaccinated for anything and everything anyway. </not sarcastic>
I agree.
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Old 02-05-2007, 03:14 PM
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If they're really concerned about the vaccine and/or its effect on the promiscuity of their children, etc. wouldn't they go through that trouble? Again, I tend to agree that this was a little early to require it, but if parents are doing their jobs they have the opportunity to say no.
That's what I said. I just believe when it comes down to it, the majority of parents will say "whatever" and let them get the vaccine. We had the odd parent in our elementary school who was anti-fluoride tablets too. It's the same principle.
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Old 02-05-2007, 03:52 PM
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That's what I said. I just believe when it comes down to it, the majority of parents will say "whatever" and let them get the vaccine. We had the odd parent in our elementary school who was anti-fluoride tablets too. It's the same principle.
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:58 PM
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i'm so scared now! i wish i had read all this yesterday. the doctor told me the only side effect would be on my arm.


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Here is a news release I received from the NVIC which outline concerns over this new vaccine by a vaccine safety group. I've bolded a few of the more interesting passages.

Vaccine Safety Group Finds Serious Reactions, High Costs

VIENNA, Va., Feb. 1 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The National Vaccine
Information Center (NVIC), the nation's leading vaccine safety and informed
consent advocacy organization, is urging state legislatures to investigate
the safety and cost of mandating Merck's HPV vaccine (GARDASIL) for all
pre- adolescent girls before introducing legislation amending state vaccine
laws.

In an analysis of reports made to the federal Vaccine Adverse Event
Reporting System (VAERS) since the CDC's July 2006 universal use
recommendation for all young girls, NVIC found reports of loss of
consciousness, seizures, joint pain and Guillain-Barre Syndrome. In a
separate evaluation of costs for young girls being vaccinated in private
pediatrician offices,
NVIC discovered that parents living in the
Washington, D.C. area will be paying between $500 and $900 to have their
daughters receive three doses of GARDASIL.

"GARDASIL safety appears to have been studied in fewer than 2,000 girls aged 9 to 15 years pre-licensure clinical trials and it is unclear how long they were followed up. VAERS is now receiving reports of loss of consciousness, seizures, arthritis and other neurological problems in young girls who have received the shot," said NVIC President Barbara Loe Fisher.

"At the same time, parents who take their daughters to private
pediatricians are going to be shocked to find that they will be paying two
to three times the widely publicized $360 cost for the three-dose series.
The cost is going to break the pocketbooks of parents and break the banks
of both insurance companies and taxpayers, when the reality is that almost
all cases of HPV- associated cervical cancer can be prevented with annual
pap screening of girls who are sexually active."

Between July 2006 and January 2007, there have been 82 reports of
adverse events filed with VAERS following receipt of GARDASIL by girls and
boys ranging in age from 11 to 27 years. Reaction reports have come from 21 states, including Virginia and the District of Columbia. All but three of
the reports were for adverse events which occurred within one week of
vaccination and more than 60 percent occurred within 24 hours of
vaccination.

"The most frequent serious health events after GARDASIL shots are
neurological symptoms," said NVIC Health Policy Analyst Vicky Debold, RN,
Ph.D. "These young girls are experiencing severe headaches, dizziness,
temporary loss of vision, slurred speech, fainting, involuntary contraction
of limbs (seizures), muscle weakness, tingling and numbness in the hands
and feet and joint pain. Some of the girls have lost consciousness during
what appears to be seizures." Debold added "The manufacturer product insert should include mention of syncopal episodes, seizures and Guillain-Barre Syndrome so doctors and parents are aware these vaccine adverse responses have been associated with the vaccine."

VAERS reports also indicate the doctors are administering GARDASIL to
girls and women at the same with Tdap, DT, meningococcal (Menactra),
hepatitis A, and other vaccines, even though the Merck product insert
states that, with the exception of hepatitis B vaccine, "Co-administration
of GARDASIL with other vaccines has not been studied." There is no publicly
available information about how many of the 9 to 15 year old girls in
Merck's pre- licensure clinical trials received GARDASIL simultaneously
with hepatitis B vaccine.

Although approximately half of all families in the U.S. select a
pediatrician in private practice to provide their children routine care,
including vaccinations, children can receive government subsidized reduced
cost or free vaccinations in public health clinics through the Vaccines for
Children program if they cannot afford to pay for vaccinations administered
by private pediatricians. NVIC's survey of four private pediatric practices
in the Virginia suburbs of Washington, D.C. found that parents could be
charged anywhere from $525 to $930 for three GARDASIL shots depending upon whether the child was a first-time or current patient. Costs for the
vaccine plus an administration fee ranged from $140 to $275 per shot with
an additional office visit charge that fluctuated between $35 and $185
depending upon whether a nurse or doctor saw the child.

HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection in the U.S. and
most persons naturally clear the infection from the body without symptoms.
However, many years of chronic HPV infection is associated with a higher
risk of pre- cancerous changes in the cervix that can lead to cancer unless
diagnosed and treated promptly. High risk factors for chronic HPV infection
include smoking, long-term use of oral contraceptives and co-infection with
HIV, herpes and chlamydia. There has been a more than 70 percent drop in
cervical cancer deaths in American women since the 1950's due to routine
pap smears and nearly all cervical cancers can be prevented with regular
pap smear screening and treatment.


In its product manufacturer insert, Merck states that "Vaccination does
not substitute for routine cervical cancer screening. Women who receive
GARDASIL should continue to undergo cervical cancer screening per standard of care." Merck also states that "The duration of immunity following a complete schedule of immunization with GARDASIL has not been established."


For more information about HPV infection and GARDASIL safety, including
NVIC's five-page report on GARDASIL adverse event reports to VAERS as well
as a direct link to VAERS reports, go to NVIC's website at
http://www.nvic.org.
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Old 02-06-2007, 11:04 PM
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i'm so scared now! i wish i had read all this yesterday. the doctor told me the only side effect would be on my arm.
I would hope that you'd trust your doctor over something some random person cut and paste onto a message board from a HIGHLY biased source.
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Old 02-07-2007, 12:49 AM
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I would hope that you'd trust your doctor over something some random person cut and paste onto a message board from a HIGHLY biased source.
So now I'm "random?"

Highly biased? Did the NVIC "make up" the numbers that were in the news release?

Trusting doctors? How many people trusted "their doctor" and were perscribed Vioxx? Bextra? Fen phen? Redux? Rezulin? Seldane? Posicor? Duract? Hismanl? Raxar? Propulsid? Lotronex? Baycol?

And... have you heard of the Swine Flu vaccine??? Hundreds of Americans died as a result of the innoculation. Others suffered from Guillain-Barre syndrome as a result of the shot.

To put this all in perspective... A quote from Dr. Raymond Woosley, (a candidate for FDA commissioner):

"I think Americans need to recognize that every time they put a pill in their mouth, especially a new pill that they've never taken before, it's an experiment. When a drug goes on the market, only about 3,000 patients have ever been given that drug. We will never know all the toxicity that can occur, especially the one in 10,000 or the one in 20,000 that can be seriously harmed. Our detection of that will only happen after the drug is on the market and exposed to huge numbers of patients."

Consider that Gardisal has only been out for seven months. Wouldn't you rather take a wait and see approach?
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Old 02-07-2007, 01:38 AM
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^Would you mind digging into my private life and public records for a second?

........I forgot something about myself.
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Old 02-07-2007, 07:08 AM
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I've had the vaccine, have you?
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Old 02-07-2007, 08:06 AM
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^Would you mind digging into my private life and public records for a second?

........I forgot something about myself.
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Old 02-07-2007, 08:19 AM
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Ummmm, Seldane. . .

Seldane may be a bad example of a dangerous drug because most problems with it had to do with its interactions with some antibiotics as opposed to the drug itself.

Seriously, it was the best antihistamine EVER as far as I'm concerned, and it's general removal from the marketplace was a bad thing overall. Although Allegra is supposed to be the same drug, I never really got relief from allergies with Allegra; I don't know why.

As far as the other drugs you listed, Blueangel, I see your point. On the other hand, it seems that a vaccine would have more limited impact. Can you think of any vaccines that have caused problems?

ETA: I can see the reference to the Swiss Flu vaccine, now. When I first read your post, I was distracted by the reference to sweet, sweet, Seldane that it eclipsed everything else.

Where can I read more about this? Hundreds of deaths sounds like a lot, but not compared to how many people died of Flu. How many people were vaccinated?

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Old 02-07-2007, 10:17 AM
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I would hope that you'd trust your doctor over something some random person cut and paste onto a message board from a HIGHLY biased source.
Absolutely - I was talking yesterday about how it has almost become the thing to do to ignore doctor's advice. I can understand getting a 2nd opinion on things, or doing a little research, but at the end of the day I would hope people would listen to their physicians. There's a reason why people aren't just out there self-medicating and doing surgeries on street corners.
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Old 02-07-2007, 11:37 AM
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Absolutely - I was talking yesterday about how it has almost become the thing to do to ignore doctor's advice. I can understand getting a 2nd opinion on things, or doing a little research, but at the end of the day I would hope people would listen to their physicians. There's a reason why people aren't just out there self-medicating and doing surgeries on street corners.
Internet doctors are the worst kind of people. Those people sit on their computers all day, looking up websites and diagnosing themselves then dragging all this research to their physician and demanding drugs for their 'diagnosis'. The internet was the simultaneous best and worst thing to ever happen to medicine. There's way too much information out there and in the hands of a layperson, it's dangerous.
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Old 02-07-2007, 11:54 AM
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My favorite quote on this is from somebody's LJ icon:

"If television's a babysitter, the internet's a drunk librarian who won't shut up."

Any time I've looked up a diagnosis online, I've become convinced that I'm going to die unless I bathe myself in bleach and eat nothing but brown rice. It's like the Brady Bunch episode where Peter had 2 pages of the medical book stuck together and thought he had sleeping sickness and was going to die. It's ridiculous.
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Old 02-07-2007, 11:55 AM
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I've had the vaccine, have you?
What for?
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Old 02-07-2007, 12:37 PM
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My favorite quote on this is from somebody's LJ icon:

"If television's a babysitter, the internet's a drunk librarian who won't shut up."

Any time I've looked up a diagnosis online, I've become convinced that I'm going to die unless I bathe myself in bleach and eat nothing but brown rice. It's like the Brady Bunch episode where Peter had 2 pages of the medical book stuck together and thought he had sleeping sickness and was going to die. It's ridiculous.
Yeah, it's easy to freak yourself out. Back when I had my mystery leg pain, all I could do was research on the internet because none of the doctors knew what was wrong.
Oh, and if you might have a serious chronic illness like MS, don't do research until you know for sure. Seriously, that funny shaped freckle looks like melanoma, your left arm feels funny and tingly so you're having an MI, You moved the wrong way suddenly the other day and now you have a disk herniation that needs surgery. Outside medical journals and reputable sites (I only trust http://www.medlineplus.gov, webmd.com is run by drug companies) there's a lot of biased shit to wade through.
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