Mergers...is is still possible?

[OleMissGlitter]

Originally posted by irishpipes
So, Kappa and Theta are real sororities, but KD, AOII, Alpha Xi Delta, and Phi Mu are just organizations? I guess they are real sororities because they have no weak chapters - they are uniformly excellent everywhere, they are housed everywhere, and are only at major universities?

By the way, I already showered today, but the stench of this makes me want to shower again.

Yes I guess we aren't real! The last time I checked all four of these sororities (women's fraternities) have chapters at major universities such as The University of Alabama, The University of Tennessee, University of Mississippi, Cal Berkely, Iowa, Illinois, Florida, etc...you get my point...anyway, who would have thought we weren't considered "real" organizations....I guess we are just pretend.

P.S. Wasn't Phi Mu one of the first sororities for women, founded in 1852? Alpha Xi Delta was founded in 1873 I believe and KD and AOII in 1897. Not that age matters but gosh we do have long histories at major universities. Also, did you know that Phi Mu, KD, and AOII have some of the bigger chapters in the country at SEC schools like Ole Miss, UGA, Tenneesee, Alabama....but what am I thinking, the South probably doesn't count either....

(Thinking to myself, AOII is just a figment of my imagination, something I dreamed up back in the fall of 1996....)

[Ch2tf]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
think we have somewhat covered this now but it is highly unlikely that Kappa Kappa Gamma would merge or absorb or join or take
in an outfit like Theta Nu Xi

Please come correct, THETA NU XI is NOT an "outfit". We are, and always have been a sorority!!! Please do not speak of what you don't know.

And the last time I checked, no one was looking for Erik P Conrad's seal of approval!

[Coramoor]

Originally posted by kddani
But who are you to say what a fraternity is meant to be or how it should work? Did you coin the word fraternity? Did any of us? If so, then we don't really have a right to say. These orgs aren't hurting you, they're not hurting anybody.

I think they are diluting the meaning of the word.

Fraternities and sororities are for the exceptional. If you read some of the threads in the chapter operations or rush forum it's pretty clear that some national fraternities are more about getting more numbers and expanding.

Four rushes a year and expanding to community colleges etc...It's hard to respect orgs that do that.

I am not saying that only national frats/sors that have 100+ chapters all strong are the only good ones. But I do think that we need some steps in the other direction.

[33girl]

Originally posted by Coramoor
Four rushes a year and expanding to community colleges etc...It's hard to respect orgs that do that.

There's a difference between continuous recruitment and four rushes a year - I haven't heard anyone speak about the latter, link please.

As far as community colleges, NO NPC groups have any plans to expand there - they're not permitted to. There's a diff between commuter colleges and community colleges. If there's an NIC fraternity that has community college chapters, please name names, because I'd wager the majority of the people on here don't agree with that.

[OPhiARen3]

Originally posted by 33girl
There's a difference between continuous recruitment and four rushes a year - I haven't heard anyone speak about the latter, link please.

As far as community colleges, NO NPC groups have any plans to expand there - they're not permitted to. There's a diff between commuter colleges and community colleges. If there's an NIC fraternity that has community college chapters, please name names, because I'd wager the majority of the people on here don't agree with that.

Still, though, what's wrong with groups (provided they are not in councils, etc., which prevent them from doing so) being at 2-year schools, or having lots of rushes, or being non-collegiate at all, and still going by fraternity or sorority? I mean, really ...? The names "fraternity" and "sorority" aren't trademarked.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally posted by OPhiARen3
Still, though, what's wrong with groups (provided they are not in councils, etc., which prevent them from doing so) being at 2-year schools, or having lots of rushes, or being non-collegiate at all, and still going by fraternity or sorority? I mean, really ...? The names "fraternity" and "sorority" aren't trademarked.

See This Thread

kddani probably had the best reason in that thread:

Originally posted by kddani
I think it would be very difficult to maintain any sort of strong chapter at community college. It would be very difficult to maintain strong leadership because so many people would be going in and out. Also, alumni support would be difficult to maintain- I don't know of many community colleges with any sort of strong alumni base. Community colleges are all (or almost all) commuter schools as well, which have proven to be difficult battlegrounds for GLOs.

Also, is there really a need for it? Seems most orgs have their hands full.

[PhoenixAzul]

I hate to sound like a broken record because I end up trying to make this point often, but don't many of our organizations have parts of their motto/constitution about "betterment"
improvement, furtherment, of men/women? In that respect, I think that only intiating the "perfect" is sort of counterproductive. I know I didn't come to Tau Delta as the person I am today, and it is through the leadership and challenges of my sorority that I have become who I am. I think that those who didn't cure cancer before the age of 18 have just as much to gain, if not more, than your perfect initiate.

[Coramoor]

Originally posted by 33girl
[B]There's a difference between continuous recruitment and four rushes a year - I haven't heard anyone speak about the latter, link please.

It's in there somewhere.

[Tom Earp]

So, everyone gets a nose out of joint when Hens Clubs are mentioned!

How damn silly!

He was not refering to Greek Social Organizations as We know them.

What are The Red Hatters? They are not a Greek Organization, they are a Club. There are many others like them.

What do they do? Well, they do many Charity Events just as We do and so do some of the others. They get together and talk, chat or what the heck ever.

Yes, there is a difference berween Social, Educational, Service, Organizaions. They have their ways of doing things, rules and regulations, joinging, ETC!

Alpha Phi Omega is a Greek Named Organization and is much different thatn The Greek Social Orgaizations.

I am belittleing them as You can see in My Sig. I am a APO, BU Chapter.

Quit being so thinned skin and -------! To no one in particular just ETAL!


WOW, I dont know of any BIG C and BIG M Greek Organizations either! Alas, Poor Friggen Me!


? Since when did Knights of Columbus become Greek Social type Organizations?

[Erik P Conard]

The sows have left the hog houses. My point, like Cora's, is
that we have diluted the concept of fraternity to such an extent that it now has little meaning.
And we have abandonded that special-ness we cherished.
And for you-all hell-bent to bitch, I'm sure you have few friends,
as you are so full of hate and rancor that you have no clue as to
what Fraternity is. You are plainly losers..yep, losers. The acrid
responses are revealing and you are sweating too much.

[33girl]

Erik, no one has stated the painfully obvious, which is that it's your own fraternity that has one of the worse reputations for colonizing anywhere.

And lots of those chapters are unhoused, at branch campuses, etc.

If you're unhappy with your fraternity's extension philosophy, I understand, but that doesn't mean you need to do something ridiculous like call the second oldest group in NPC an "organization" and imply they're not a real sorority. Or say that every Kappa and Theta chapter is perfect. One of the more frequent Kappa posters on here came from a chapter of 15. How do you explain that one?

[Tom Earp]

I am very sure Erik knows about the short commings of His own Fraternity and laments the fact as true.

Is there any Greek Socal group on here or any place else that doesnt have the same problems?

Name Me One that hasnt had problems of Hazing or leaving a Campus!

He did not omit His as You so state, He doesnt have to belittle His everytime He makes a Post, He knows the problems and lets it be known. Do You?

So, dont come back and say I dont either about LXA as I am well aware of some of the problems and that doesnt make Me happy with some of My Chapters.

Have there been any of Your Chapters that have had problems or never left a campus?




Oh, there was a listing that came out of the top 5 worst hazing Fraternitys and ones who were disciplined. I will not realate these as it will Piss off someone!

[Tom Earp]

Back to the Original Post/Question!

Can Mergers actually Happen, Yes.

Dont ever think that they cannot.

[33girl]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
I am very sure Erik knows about the short commings of His own Fraternity and laments the fact as true.

Is there any Greek Socal group on here or any place else that doesnt have the same problems?

Name Me One that hasnt had problems of Hazing or leaving a Campus!

He did not omit His as You so state, He doesnt have to belittle His everytime He makes a Post, He knows the problems and lets it be known. Do You?

So, dont come back and say I dont either about LXA as I am well aware of some of the problems and that doesnt make Me happy with some of My Chapters.

Have there been any of Your Chapters that have had problems or never left a campus?

Of course not. I never said there weren't.

I've been unhappy with some of our expansion decisions - I would wager members of EVERY group have.

But that's for me to take up with the people in charge of my org. I'm certainly not going to question what anyone else does in the way that Erik is doing. I mean, I could care less what TKE does, but for him to go off on unhoused, "street car college" chapters and act like it's everyone else who is causing the downfall of the Greek system when HIS OWN ORGANIZATION does the same thing is a little silly.

If the new "outfits" as they are called are as useless as Erik believes they are, they will die out or evolve into something else.

[AXO Alum]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
The sows have left the hog houses.

I can't believe that you said that just because people have asked that you not refer to their organizations in such a disrespectful manner.

My point, like Cora's, is that we have diluted the concept of fraternity to such an extent that it now has little meaning. And we have abandonded that special-ness we cherished.

If you feel like YOUR fraternity has been diluted to this extent, then that is one thing (although I have a lot of respect for the mod that carries the TKE letters) -- I am thankful for the many of us who still cherish EVERY special moment of our bond, whether we are new members, initiated members, or alum members! It is sad that you don't cherish your fraternity in the same way.

And for you-all hell-bent to bitch, I'm sure you have few friends, as you are so full of hate and rancor that you have no clue as to what Fraternity is. You are plainly losers..yep, losers. The acrid responses are revealing and you are sweating too much.

It is clear that you have lost all remaining respect from people on here that once could see some reasoning behind your posts. People asked that you not refer to their orgs in a disrespectful tone, and THIS is your reply?! Indeed... you (like some others on GC) need to look in a mirror to see the very definition of a loser. If you were 1/8th the fraternity man that you claim to be, this would not be your way of getting your point across.