Apprentice 4: Donald - Page 4

hoosier · #1 12-16-2005, 12:26 AM

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Originally posted by uksparkle
Ok that was messed up. He should have said to hire Rebecca too. Asshole.

He's the winner - she lost.

Quite a decisive move right off the bat.

Suspect that soon Trump will hire her, though.

If he really has a million-dollar consulting firm, why would he give that up for starting over with Trump?

darling1 · #2 12-16-2005, 12:32 AM

i dont agree!!! why should he share the spotlight???

randall won and it was WELL DESERVED!!!

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Originally posted by uksparkle
Ok that was messed up. He should have said to hire Rebecca too. Asshole.

RedefinedDiva · #3 12-16-2005, 12:39 AM

Why is Randall an asshole because he chose to NOT have Rebecca selected? Like he said, the show is about selecting ONE Apprentice, meaning the best and the brightest. That person was Randall. Donald never made anyone else share their spotlight with another person, so why should Randall? Randall was the true star and winner. The choice was clear.

Donald will moe likely than not hire Rebecca by the morning, however, tonight was ALL ABOUT RANDALL!!

Congrats Randall!!

uksparkle · #4 12-16-2005, 12:44 AM

Well regardless...I still thought he was an asshole. No one has to agree with me, that's just what I think.

Misbehavn23 · #5 12-16-2005, 12:45 AM

Trump made the right choice. Both were very strong but I'm not mad at Randal and neither was Trump. Randal said Trump could hire Rebecca but not tonight. Trump probably will hire Rebecca tomorrow but tonight was Randal's night. When Randal came out of left field and said "You write about businesses and I run them", I was like wow! I knew that was it and he was going to get hired. Besides Bill and Kwame were both excellent but Bill won. Randel said it best it called Apprentice, not Apprenti.

docetboy · #6 12-16-2005, 12:52 AM

You do realize that the filming just ended tonight???

That the winner announcement was live? Randall's aprentii speech wasn't scripted?

darling1 · #7 12-16-2005, 01:02 AM

i totally agree!!!! randall has run 5!

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Originally posted by Misbehavn23
Trump made the right choice. Both were very strong but I'm not mad at Randal and neither was Trump. Randal said Trump could hire Rebecca but not tonight. Trump probably will hire Rebecca tomorrow but tonight was Randal's night. When Randal came out of left field and said "You write about businesses and I run them", I was like wow! I knew that was it and he was going to get hired. Besides Bill and Kwame were both excellent but Bill won. Randel said it best it called Apprentice, not Apprenti.

WCUgirl · #8 12-16-2005, 01:10 AM

I really liked Randal throughout this whole process, but I lost all respect for him tonight.

Tickled Pink 2 · #9 12-16-2005, 01:13 AM

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Originally posted by Misbehavn23
Trump made the right choice. Both were very strong but I'm not mad at Randal and neither was Trump. Randal said Trump could hire Rebecca but not tonight. Trump probably will hire Rebecca tomorrow but tonight was Randal's night. When Randal came out of left field and said "You write about businesses and I run them", I was like wow! I knew that was it and he was going to get hired. Besides Bill and Kwame were both excellent but Bill won. Randel said it best it called Apprentice, not Apprenti.

You hit the nail on the head! When Trump tried to pull that one I was thinking - no way! Why should he have to share the spotlight? I think Trump was shocked & thought Randall would be nicer, but that's right - tonight's his night. AND - trust - any man that can publicly say in so many words that Yahoo had better cough up dough for not letting that group raise $$ like they wanted to - and they do it - he'll hire Rebecca regardless of what Randall thinks. Randall just let it be known that she was clearly NOT the winner.

Senusret I · #10 12-16-2005, 07:24 AM

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Originally posted by Tickled Pink 2
When Trump tried to pull that one I was thinking - no way! Why should he have to share the spotlight?

I have a quick anecdote.....

This year, I was asked to speak on a panel about gay/lesbian/bisexual issues at my alma mater. I was chosen as the Alumni speaker. The other speakers represented single entities, such as the LGBT club on campus, another campus club that was specifically about coming out, the Women's Center, a Dean, a lesbian prof, and a gay male prof.

I sent out an email to my gay alumni group saying I was picked to be the alumni speaker. Well, one of the group moderators said "That's great, but did they contact so-and-so or so-and-so? I think YOU should contact them and see if they want to participate."

I completely ignored the email. Why should I need a sidekick in order to discuss the experiences of gay alums? Am I not a gay alum? I happened to know who both of the suggested speakers were, and they were both white.

So when I spoke about gay issues at Georgetown, I also spoke about how being a black gay man was not much different from just being a black man. There is still racism, there is still prejudice, there is still a notion that a black man, no matter how talented, cannot accurately represent a group that is majority white.

When trump asked Randall if he should hire Rebecca, I was so glad he said "Hell to the naw!" Because he was saying it, in my opinion, for every person of color who has been viewed as "good" but "not enough" to go it alone.

Trump really thought he was going to hire two people that night, and I'm so glad he didn't.

Yeah, Randall was a dick, but so is Trump. If there was still a chance that Trump would pick Rebecca, Randall had to show that he's not a pushover. He wanted to win and did what he needed to do -- underscore why Rebecca would be the wrong choice.

ASUADPi · #11 12-16-2005, 08:21 AM

I personally don't think Randal's decision had anything to do with color, because if it was about color in the first place, Trump would have never hired him. 'Nough said.

Now, not having watched other Apprentice's I don't know if the canidates were ever well matched as the ones from last night. Has Trump ever asked this of the winner before? If not I'm thinking he saw something in both of them that would make them excellent workers for his company. I personally see nothing wrong with wanting to hire both of them.

I may have thought Randal's "no way" attitude was selfish and the way he came back was rude to Rebecca, but in all fairness he didn't expect Trump to ask him the question in the first place and he answered honestly. I think Trump was even shocked by his, I don't know, lack of kindness. (I really can't think of a better term).
I also think that Trump might end up hiring Rebecca, but who knows.

I mean I know for me personally, if I was one of the final two and the other person and I worked extremely well together. We bounced ideas well, we were both strong (where one was lacking the other compensated for). We were just a great team and I was given the oppurtunity to bring this person on board I'd probably jump at it. Now it's not to say that I'd want us to be constantly working together, because otherwise the point of the experience would be meaningless. But Trump did say that he had two projects that needed a manager for them, I wouldn't have had an issue if the other person took on the project I didn't want. Does that make sense?

Senusret I · #12 12-16-2005, 08:33 AM

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Originally posted by ASUADPi
I personally don't think Randal's decision had anything to do with color, because if it was about color in the first place, Trump would have never hired him. 'Nough said.

Whatever.

It's not about NOT hiring a person of color. If that was the case, there didn't have to be any in the candidate pool.

Are you a person of color? Do you know what it feels like to be shown and told that you're not enough, so here's a white person to give you legitimacy?

Or perhaps you've experienced it on a gender level.

Or religion.

It's not JUST a color thing.

ASUADPi · #13 12-16-2005, 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by Senusret I
Whatever.

It's not about NOT hiring a person of color. If that was the case, there didn't have to be any in the candidate pool.

Are you a person of color? Do you know what it feels like to be shown and told that you're not enough, so here's a white person to give you legitimacy?

Or perhaps you've experienced it on a gender level.

Or religion.

It's not JUST a color thing.

If it's not a color thing, why are you making such a big deal about it? (By implying that Randal's comments stemmed from him being black and not wanting to share a title with a white person).

IMPO, your comments sound a little racist. (And remember this is my opinion, your gonna disagree with me and that is totally fine).

As I've said in another forum, discrimination is still discrimination, is still discrimination no matter what color your skin is.

Unfortunately we live in a world, where everyone faces discrimination, of some sort (like what you mentioned, religion, gender, etc...).

If we wanna debate discrimination, cool, maybe we shouldn't do it in the entertainment forum.

This thread is about the Apprentice not about the discrimination that people face every day of their lives.

Randal saying what he said, I'm personally believe it had nothing to do with the color of his skin. It probably had more to do with the fact that in the game there is only supposed to be one winner, whether I agree with his decision or not, it was his to make.

darling1 · #14 12-16-2005, 09:15 AM

why is Randall selfish??? If he and Rebecca were equally matched, Trump would have hired them both.

The fact is, Rebecca is 23, Randall is 34; Rebecca has written about business, Randall HAS RUN SUCCESSFULLY 5 business. Randall is degreed out the behind, Rebecca isnt. Randall was respected by ALL of his competition, Rebecca wasnt. Randall won all of his challenges; Rebecca did not.

I don't like to put race into anything either, but unfortunately it is always a factor no matter how small. This was a competition and just like Rebecca wasnt backing down, neither should Randall. I seriously doubt Trump was shocked in the way you say. He's been in business for a long time and has seen alot.

I did think that it was going to be a win-fall for both of them. But if I were Randall, I wouldn't want to share either.

To be so young, Rebecca is tight. For a minute, I had forgotten that she was 23. When women are taking care of business like that, it is wonderful to see. This was a great competition. I was never a fan of the show, but I became one tonight!

GO RANDALL.

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Originally posted by ASUADPi
I personally don't think Randal's decision had anything to do with color, because if it was about color in the first place, Trump would have never hired him. 'Nough said.

Now, not having watched other Apprentice's I don't know if the canidates were ever well matched as the ones from last night. Has Trump ever asked this of the winner before? If not I'm thinking he saw something in both of them that would make them excellent workers for his company. I personally see nothing wrong with wanting to hire both of them.

I may have thought Randal's "no way" attitude was selfish and the way he came back was rude to Rebecca, but in all fairness he didn't expect Trump to ask him the question in the first place and he answered honestly. I think Trump was even shocked by his, I don't know, lack of kindness. (I really can't think of a better term).
I also think that Trump might end up hiring Rebecca, but who knows.

I mean I know for me personally, if I was one of the final two and the other person and I worked extremely well together. We bounced ideas well, we were both strong (where one was lacking the other compensated for). We were just a great team and I was given the oppurtunity to bring this person on board I'd probably jump at it. Now it's not to say that I'd want us to be constantly working together, because otherwise the point of the experience would be meaningless. But Trump did say that he had two projects that needed a manager for them, I wouldn't have had an issue if the other person took on the project I didn't want. Does that make sense?

Eclipse · #15 12-16-2005, 10:26 AM

Randal & Trump was on the Today show this morning and when asked the question about why he did not tell Trump it was ok to hire Rebecca, Randal said "If you just won the gold medal in the Olympics, would you want to share it with the silver medalist?"

I agree with him totally. What Trump does today is on him. If he wants to hire Rebecca today that's great, but last night was supposed to be about 1 person and it was. Trump is strong enough and decisive enough to do what the heck he wants to do. He asked Randal's opinion and he got it. If he wanted to do something differently then he could and he still can.

I had even more respect for Randal after his comments last night because he handled an awkward situation with grace and tact, but stood up for himself. Most people (including me) would have been a marshmellow and said "sure, hire her!" and then been kicking themselves later for minimizing the win.