Why Anti-Expansion?

[pirepresent]

also, real quick - i see what you're saying madmax. and like 33girl said, i'm not saying NPC doesn't have its flaws. but there are definetly rules in place to try and make things more fair.

i guess i'm thinking, if there was no NPC, then what? the biggest sororities would have even more opportunity to get bigger, because schools wouldn't even have to accept proposals from the little groups in the first place. the point of my post was just to show Luis that NPC doesn't violate anti-trust laws. the whole expansion system itself kind of stinks, for exactly the reasons you say.

I have to say this thread is getting annoying, even though I have posted earlier about quantity vs. quality. Now, it's tearing down individual GLOs whether they are social, academic, multicultural, or whatnot. This is not classy, WHATSOEVER. We all say we want classy individuals within our organizations. Let's practice what we preach, ladies and gentlemen.

[Firehouse]

The fact is that not too very long ago, most campuses had only IFC and Panhellenic chapters. Now, at least on campusses I'm familiar with, the IFC and Panhellenic systems nestle very comfortably next to systems of historically Black fraternities & sororities as well as the new arrivals: systems of 'multicultural' fraternities & sororities. If even more Greek letter societies, even not traditionally social, want to be more like us, how can that be a bad thing?! What it means is that what we offer has a powerful, universal appeal, crossing all sorts of race and national origin lines. It is our best defense against those who hate us, who consider us elitist and politically un-correct.
It seems to me that Greeks are experiencing a surge of popularity across the board, and that we are no longer depriving ourselves of excellent markets of good people because of race or other arbitrary reasons. There will always be those administrators and academics who hate us for their own political or social-agenda reasons, but that has always been so throughout the 200+ year history of the American college fraternity system.
It's better now than it used to be, and it used to be really great.

[33girl]

Here are some threads that I hope answer some of your questions:

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ight=expansion

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ight=expansion

If you want more, search under "expansion."

[33girl]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
I am not saying outfits cannot use greek letters and spread charters all over inner-cities. But please do not call them collegiate...women's groups like Beta Sigma Phi and Epsilon
Sigma Alpha have invaded college campuses, too. And the once boy-scout fraternity, Alpha Phi Omega, was tried join the
ranks of the traditional IFCs in some locations. The U of Mich
has long been home to many professional fraternities who do
operate, in some cases, as social ones.
If we are hell-bent on destroying collegiate identities, why don't
we just confer the PhD at birth and get on with living?
But, please, please, please don't piss on my leg and tell me it is raining. Anybody can take any name they want to.
But they are a helleva far cry from SAE, Beta, TKE, or Theta,
Pi Phi or DZ--all of whom are open to all today.
You all damned well know what I mean.

Erik,

As far as A Phi O chapters (which I am also a member of, incidentally) are trying to join IFCs I would like to know the school and chapter...as it is expressly stated that APO chapters are NOT to join any conferences such as IFC or NPC. If it's a smaller college (Silver Turtle's is the best example I know of) with a myriad of different types of Greek orgs that are not "traditional" it is permissible.

Not only that I guess that all the women who joined ASA in its first 50 years of existence weren't "real" sorority women since we were a social-educational group.

Finally, maybe women are joining groups like Beta and ESA because they don't have any patience with some of the ridiculous rules imposed by NPC groups that treat young adult women like junior high children.

[Luis]

Getting back to the original intent of this thread. My earlier posts may not have been very clear, but I was trying to specifically address that NPC sororities on a Panhel should not have the right to deny another NPC sorority to enter a campus. If antitrust laws can be applied to not-for-profit corporations, then how can NPC sororities be exempted from the antitrust laws if they act in an anti-expansion nature at either the national (i.e., NPC level) or local level (i.e., Panhel level)?

For example, there was an article in the New York Times today about an antitrust lawsuit challenging the matching system for medical residents. A group of doctors filed an antitrust lawsuit challenging the system that selects and deploys medical residents across the country. The doctors contend that the computerized matching system keeps salaries artificially low and crushes competition that could force hospitals to offer better working conditions.

So why couldn't a group of women, who want to start a new NPC sorority and have been denied by a Panhel (i.e, campus not open to expansion), file a lawsuit under the antitrust laws. There are at least a dozen local sororities, which have been formed to start a new NPC sorority on campus, that this could potentially apply to.

[33girl]

Originally posted by Luis
Getting back to the original intent of this thread. My earlier posts may not have been very clear, but I was trying to specifically address that NPC sororities on a Panhel should not have the right to deny another NPC sorority to enter a campus. If antitrust laws can be applied to not-for-profit corporations, then how can NPC sororities be exempted from the antitrust laws if they act in an anti-expansion nature at either the national (i.e., NPC level) or local level (i.e., Panhel level)?

Because because because because because...because of the wonderful things NPC does. (sorry, that was stuck in my head)

Anyway, as stated before, all the NPC groups have agreed to operate this way. Think of it as the community agreements you see in some suburbs. When you move in, you agree to paint your house only certain colors, not have tacky flamingos on your lawn, etc etc. If you decide to put a big old flamingo on your lawn, you're not doing anything against the LAW, but you will get booted out of the community.

If ASA for example was to go into schools and start colonizing groups of women without going through the proper procedures, they wouldn't be doing anything unlawful or even against the uni's rules, but they would get kicked out of NPC very quickly.

Bringing up anti-trust laws concerning a group whose members are all voluntary members is comparing apples and oranges. Now, if the university has a rule that says all sororities must be NPC members, that would be closer to what you're talking about.

[Erik P Conard]

well, we have sure generated a lot of exchanges of differing opinions. Yes, the collegiate scene has changed considerably
over the past century. Shortly after the civil war, college enrollments were generally under a hundred students and the
state supported, regent-type schools were in their infancy. The
high school extensions, later to be junior colleges and now some are state universities, have joined the ranks of the state
schools, the private schools, the trade schools, the night schools, replete with GLOs of all types. There's still room....
Today you can get a degree without having stepped foot on a campus, you can enroll at a shopping center, you can get a master's in air conditioning. You can wear any label or badge
you want, and almost all can get in, whether they can read, write
or spell is no longer important.
But the fact remains, most of us are somewhat elitist. Why do we form groups, anyway? And way back when...
the GLOs were small, rarely housed, and were certainly elitist.
Today's collegian is more of a trade-oriented matriculate. The liberal arts have taken a back seat to job seeking.
Perhaps this is where it is going...
Maybe conferring the doctorate at birth would ameliorate all.
But these womens' clubs, like ESA, Beta Sigma Phi, etc. have
every right to establish clubs on college campuses. And they
may thrive in Lyons, Kansas, too....
I guess we might say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
And for those of you who have gotten your nose out of joint or your panties all in a wad about my ravings...I certainly want to hear all points of view. If the cheapest were the best, we would all be driving Yugos. 'ta ta...