From Pref Night to Bid Day: What happens?

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by Titchou

Used to when it was done by hand, the first bid list (# of quota) was in alpha order. Now, with the advent of the computer, the first list doesn't have to be in alpha order even with hand bid matching - even though I think it's easier to do in alpha order. The second list is in order of preference and always has been. And it's easier to keep the cards in alpha order as you've been doing that all along with the first bid list and some groups may still be on their first list and some on their second. I tried to copy and paste from the MOI but it's about 3 pages long and just didn't work well. But suffice it to say, the women are matched to the chapter's list.

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Depends on quota and how many of ZZ's top choices chose them. If quota is 39, but one of the women on ZZ's first list matches elsewhere, Amy moves onto their first list. Her choice (ZZ over CC) trumps the fact that CC wants her more than ZZ does.

THANK YOU Titchou and DBB for helping me out here.

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

I think discussion of how it was back in the old days just muddies the water over how it happens now. Suffice it to say there was much hand-wringing, clutching at pearls and hijinks going on that now can't happen. I think a lot of the negative chatter about a struggling chapter goes away because there's really no one except the RFM expert who might now that ABC chapter didn't get a single person from their first list, or whatever. It's more clinical and less open to gossip. Not that there is NOT gossip, but I'd bet that more than a little of it is rumor and not fact.

Ooopsies! My bad. I know better than to step into the quicksand that is RFM (at least to me it is akin to Calculus and I'm not ever going there).

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

So if I have this straight... let's say, to keep things simple, that quota is 10. Then ABC would have 10 girls on their first bid list, in whatever order they desired. I'll do alphabetical, since that's what everyone is discussing:

Amber
Brenda
Cassie
Danielle
Emily
Felicia
Grace
Haley
Irene
Jackie

Assuming that they all listed ABC as their #1 choice, then they would all receive bids to ABC. The end. If, on the other hand, Cassie, Felicia, and Jackie all matched with DEF, then there would be 3 spots left, which would require a jump to ABC's second bid list.. which would be in the order that ABC preferred to bid them. So if the first 5 people on the list were:

1 Stephanie
2 Tanya
3 Alyssa
4 Melissa
5 Laura

.. and Stephanie matched to ABC, she would make new member #8. If Tanya matched with DEF, then they would move on to Alyssa, and so on and so forth until they reached 10 new members.

So the order of PNMs is irrelevant for the first bid list, but it's clearly important for all of the bid lists after that.

Correct?

Whew. Got it. I forever swear off any commenting on this entire business. For the duration I shall be resting on a chaise, sipping a beverage while being fanned by gorgeous men with 8 packs. Peel me a grape.

ETA: OP, Old_Row is not accusing you of anything; she is making a recommendation that you would be wise to consider seriously. Old_Row is not That Kind Of Girl.

[apollo_artemis]

I'm still slightly confused, but thank you for everyone trying to clear this up!
P.S. I love the names we've made up for the PNM's.

[DubaiSis]

the utterly short version is you don't have to worry about it. The houses make their lists, you make your list, it goes into a machine and pledge classes pop out.

Did you have another specific question about the process? This is actually the one time of the week that it's easy for us to talk about because everyone's rules are the same and not secret.

[Griffins&Quills]

Slight lane swerve, it has been mentioned about "if a PNM attends every party to which she is invited...", my school didn't/doesn't allow PNMs to not go to parties just because they don't want to. The only reason to miss a party is for a documented schedule conflict discussed with the Pi Chis. Arbitrarily skipping a party is grounds for being released. Are there schools where this is not the case?

[honeychile]

In regards to the original question, we used to scrub the glitter out of every orifice, and vacuumed the first layer of glitter out of the carpeting. Then came the pillow fight.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by Griffins&Quills

Slight lane swerve, it has been mentioned about "if a PNM attends every party to which she is invited...", my school didn't/doesn't allow PNMs to not go to parties just because they don't want to. The only reason to miss a party is for a documented schedule conflict discussed with the Pi Chis. Arbitrarily skipping a party is grounds for being released. Are there schools where this is not the case?

Yes...many. NPC uses the term "may release" which allows schools to make their own decisions about whether they will release such women from recruitment.

[Old_Row]

Originally Posted by apollo_artemis

I'm still slightly confused, but thank you for everyone trying to clear this up!
P.S. I love the names we've made up for the PNM's.

It really isn't anything you need to worry about. Maybe you should concentrate on studying and raising your very low GPA instead of worrying about things that are completely out of your control? I just am starting to feel like you're looking for a way to try to game the system. Which you can't.

[apollo_artemis]

Originally Posted by Old_Row

It really isn't anything you need to worry about. Maybe you should concentrate on studying and raising your very low GPA instead of worrying about things that are completely out of your control? I just am starting to feel like you're looking for a way to try to game the system. Which you can't.

I was just curious to know how it works, that's all. No need to accuse me of trying to cheat the system.

[pinapple]

In regards to the original question, we used to scrub the glitter out of every orifice, and vacuumed the first layer of glitter out of the carpeting.

GLITTER: The Herpes of crafting.

[Griffins&Quills]

So, out of curiosity how do QAs work?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Griffins&Quills

So, out of curiosity how do QAs work?

In short, it appears as though it depends on the school. In theory, women are supposed to be filled in to chapters that haven't reached Total, but at many schools, they are placed with their first choice. (I think this is kind of a slap in the face to women who matched with their second choice. They don't get to go to their first choice because they aren't rejected by everyone?) Oh well, the QAs and the people that go to their second choices never know who the QAs are anyway.

[HQWest]

Its not necessarily their first choice. At some schools a QA goes to whichever chapter is smaller. It can also be to spread out the QAs so that one chapter does not get too many.

[Griffins&Quills]

So... if we get to the end of matching and girl A isn't matched, and she wrote down ABC and XYZ, does a ABC or XYZ offer to take her and thus she becomes a quota addition? I guess what I was curious about is how it is determined which chapter girl A goes to, and how she becomes a QA as opposed to someone who is matched during matching.

[HQWest]

Originally Posted by Griffins&Quills

So... if we get to the end of matching and girl A isn't matched, and she wrote down ABC and XYZ, does a ABC or XYZ offer to take her and thus she becomes a quota addition? I guess what I was curious about is how it is determined which chapter girl A goes to, and how she becomes a QA as opposed to someone who is matched during matching.

At my campus - if ABC and XYZ both already made quota - she would go to whichever of the two was smaller if they both had her on their list.
If one had decided after prefs they didnt want her - and she wasnt on their list, she would go to the other.
If both were the same size - she would go to her top choice, unless that meant one group was getting way too many QAs. Then she might go to whichever chapter had her higher on their 2nd list.

You dont want one chapter to be getting too many QAs - the unicorns run out of rainbows

[aephi alum]

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All the PNMs' pref cards are taped to a cork board. Each chapter advisor is given a number of darts equivalent to quota. The advisors form a queue. Each advisor tosses a dart at the board. If it hits a pref card listing the advisor's chapter, the PNM is matched to that chapter, the dart is removed from the advisor's allotment, and the card is taken down. If the dart hits a pref card that does not list the advisor's chapter, she retrieves the dart and goes to the end of the line. When a chapter meets quota, its advisor steps out of line. Bid matching ends when all the cards left on the cork board list only chapters that have made quota, and, well, those remaining PNMs are SOL unless a chapter that didn't meet quota wants to issue a snap bid.
</snarkmode>