Texas A&M Recruitment...as a junior?

[Katmandu]

First, congratulations to your daughter on recruitment! I hope she is very happy with her new sisters!

Yes, you are misunderstanding the process, and it stems from the use of the word "Cut". The PNMs aren't really cutting chapters, they are ranking them. It's too bad it's not explained better, but I often read here about girls who think they "cut" a chapter because they ranked them last, and are then offended when the chapter issues an invitation to the next round.

What happened was that your daughter was not invited back by one of her higher ranked chapters. Panhellenic (via their computer program) filled her party schedule with one of her lower ranked groups. They do this because it benefits the pnms and the chapters to have full dance cards, and many minds are changed (on both sides) when there are return visits and second or third looks.

It's too bad your daughter was tramatized by having to re-visit a chapter that put her in tears, but those were the two chapters that wanted her to attend their pref parties.

[DubaiSis]

No, the other way is for recruitment numbers to go in the tank, AND during this year she makes close friends with, say, 15 sorority women who are in the right houses. Then she would stand A CHANCE. However, with recruitment trends in the south as they have been lately, I don't see that as an actual chance.

And god forbid this struggling chapter does a drastic improvement this year and becomes a contender. And don't think it can't happen. There are a lot of girls who had to make cuts early in recruitment who might be more than willing to COR the bad house because they know that more than likely this is their only chance because they're freshmen and sophomores have virtually no chance there.

[pabeta1530]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

No, the other way is for recruitment numbers to go in the tank, AND during this year she makes close friends with, say, 15 sorority women who are in the right houses. Then she would stand A CHANCE. However, with recruitment trends in the south as they have been lately, I don't see that as an actual chance.

And god forbid this struggling chapter does a drastic improvement this year and becomes a contender. And don't think it can't happen. There are a lot of girls who had to make cuts early in recruitment who might be more than willing to COR the bad house because they know that more than likely this is their only chance because they're freshmen and sophomores have virtually no chance there.

Please forgive me for the clumsy Paris Hilton allusion. Returning to the matter at hand, DubaiSis creates a valid scenario for amperches to emerge on top. If all the planets align correctly, she could be in a much better position than now.

Using my own example as a template, I watched my house move from struggling to successful in two years because the brotherhood picked good, dynamic pledge classes from freshman through junior years, which led to picking more of the same. If we could do it, anyone can.

The game ain't over until it's over; I'm betting on amperches to pull it off.

[kddani]

Originally Posted by pabeta1530

Please forgive me for the clumsy Paris Hilton allusion. Returning to the matter at hand, DubaiSis creates a valid scenario for amperches to emerge on top. If all the planets align correctly, she could be in a much better position than now.

Using my own example as a template, I watched my house move from struggling to successful in two years because the brotherhood picked good, dynamic pledge classes from freshman through junior years, which led to picking more of the same. If we could do it, anyone can.

The game ain't over until it's over; I'm betting on amperches to pull it off.

You have no idea what you are talking about. You are a fraternity man who went to Allegheny College. Allegheny is nothing like A&M (I'm from Pittsburgh and have many friends who went to Allegheny).

You obviously know nothing about the competitiveness of rush at schools like A&M. Please stay in your own lane.

[pabeta1530]

Originally Posted by kddani

You have no idea what you are talking about. You are a fraternity man who went to Allegheny College. Allegheny is nothing like A&M (I'm from Pittsburgh and have many friends who went to Allegheny).

You obviously know nothing about the competitiveness of rush at schools like A&M. Please stay in your own lane.

Ms. kddani: I'm still entitled to my opinion, regardless. The scenario presented seemed plausible; therefore, I supported it. Why does it bother you or anyone else that she may succeed?

My advice to you, ma'am, is not to be so willing to belittle someone who disagrees. I, too, am from Pittsburgh and have friends who went to Allegheny.

Go Gators!

[kddani]

Originally Posted by pabeta1530

Ms. kddani: I'm still entitled to my opinion, regardless. The scenario presented seemed plausible; therefore, I supported it. Why does it bother you or anyone else that she may succeed?

My advice to you, ma'am, is not to be so willing to belittle someone who disagrees. I, too, am from Pittsburgh and have friends who went to Allegheny.

Go Gators!

You're entitled to your opinion but we here at GC like to avoid giving out wrong information and giving false hopes. The situation is not likely plausible.

Wrong advice bothers me. I didn't belittle you. You do not appear to understand what sorority recruitment is like at a massively competitive southern school It isn't fair to those girls to be unrealistic.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by pabeta1530

Ms. kddani: I'm still entitled to my opinion, regardless. The scenario presented seemed plausible; therefore, I supported it. Why does it bother you or anyone else that she may succeed?

My advice to you, ma'am, is not to be so willing to belittle someone who disagrees. I, too, am from Pittsburgh and have friends who went to Allegheny.

Go Gators!

The scenario could have been plausible but it was incredibly improbable.

If it happens, great. Wishing her luck in general, great. Promoting something you know nothing about? Shitty when you're giving false hope and bad advice.

Here this is called "staying in your lane." Put your blinker back on and refrain from commenting on sorority matters from a position of authority.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by pabeta1530

Ms. kddani: I'm still entitled to my opinion, regardless.

And others who know a lot more about it than you do are entitled to their opinion that your opinion is completely uninformed.

See how that works?

[Texasmom15]

AOEforme - thanks for the information. She will be shocked to know that she could have listed both houses - she did get a bid from her first choice but had she listed two she might not have felt so much pressure on bid day (available from 10-3 to receive the dreaded phone call that notifies you that you do not have a bid).

Thanks again.....

[AOEforme]

Originally Posted by Texasmom15

AOEforme - thanks for the information. She will be shocked to know that she could have listed both houses - she did get a bid from her first choice but had she listed two she might not have felt so much pressure on bid day (available from 10-3 to receive the dreaded phone call that notifies you that you do not have a bid).

Thanks again.....

At least it all worked out for her in the end! I hope she loves her new chapter!

[LadyLonghorn]

One other thing. Even with the new upperclassman quotas at some of the big Texas schools, re-rushers are still at an extreme disadvantage. Those who are being looked on most favorably to potentially fill those openings are transfers and first time rushers.

[Katmandu]

^^^Yea, I wish the whole idea that PNMs are cutting chapters would go away. They are RANKING them.

It's almost as if the girls think that this annoying chapter that keeps inviting them to parties after the girl has "cut" them is somehow preventing other (more desirable) chapters from inviting them back.

[Texasmom15]

Originally Posted by Katmandu

^^^Yea, I wish the whole idea that PNMs are cutting chapters would go away. They are RANKING them.

It's almost as if the girls think that this annoying chapter that keeps inviting them to parties after the girl has "cut" them is somehow preventing other (more desirable) chapters from inviting them back.

Let me state again that I am very new to Greek Life and have a lot to learn. I think you are correct that it would help for the PNM's to be reminded that they are "ranking" chapters rather than "cutting" them. PNM's are frequently reminded during the recruitment process that this is a "mutual selection" process, so that also lends to them believing they are "cutting" rather than "ranking". Some are surprised that a chapter they "ranked" toward the bottom of their list never actually leave their dance card.

This is a great forum for those of us that are learning......that said, I want to reiterate that my daughter did not find any chapters "repugnant", but rather out of 12 houses, she found one that she was not a good fit for. Why is this so surprising, are the PNM's expected to fit everywhere? I stated that she thought the girls were very nice and did a good job making her feel welcome, but they were involved in activities different than what my daughter was looking for.....from there one of the posters jumped to stating that she found this house "repugnant" and that as far as she knew "none of the chapters at TAMU were into torturing puppies or eating raw sheep eyeballs".....WOW that is a huge jump from "they were really nice but I didn't fit".

[TXalum1]

Originally Posted by LadyLonghorn

One other thing. Even with the new upperclassman quotas at some of the big Texas schools, re-rushers are still at an extreme disadvantage. Those who are being looked on most favorably to potentially fill those openings are transfers and first time rushers.

How true! We all know stories of pnms who sign up for recruitment again (and sometimes again) because they are trying for XYZ. Don't do that.

You had a bid. You didn't accept it. Move on, please.

[greekalum]

Do you know amperches? Because from what I can tell, it seems unlikely for any rerushing junior to "pull off" rerushing to get a better house. Or do you have a magic 8 ball telling you that A&M's goingt o have a ton less PNMs next year?