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Old 08-28-2010, 11:42 PM
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Sorry, I couldn't get past About.com, went to Suite101's home page to see the contributors, left unimpressed and really went no further.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs.../06/brooks.htm
Before 1983 there were few suicide bombings. The Koran forbids the taking of one's own life, and this prohibition was still generally observed. But when the United States stationed Marines in Beirut, the leaders of the Islamic resistance movement Hizbollah[I] began to discuss turning to this ultimate terrorist weapon. Religious authorities in Iran gave it their blessing, and a wave of suicide bombings began, starting with the attacks that killed about sixty U.S. embassy workers in April of 1983 and about 240 people in the Marine compound at the airport in October. The bombings proved so successful at driving the United States and, later, Israel out of Lebanon that most lingering religious concerns were set aside.
Politics outweighed religion and "won" the argument for those people. That doesn't mean that Islam no longer prohibits it.


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Most people are aware that there are tribes, where these "rubes" still practice in child marriages, are uneducated, live in abject poverty and this is what makes them receptive to the promises of the Taliban. It's their impoverished existence, with little or no opportunity for improvement which leaves them vulnerable.
Nice, but ignores the point. Generalizing extremists as ignorant and acting like they need to be taught by "us" how to be better is misguided at best.


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That's odd, most attended religious or private schools where their children would receive the education desired, not the other way around.
No, they don't. Lawsuit after lawsuit has occurred in the public sphere. And quite frankly, considering the Muslim population in Dearborn, and the fact that it was solving a safety/hygiene issue, it appears that the Muslims Students Association's request for footbaths was a reasonable one. And the school agreed with no legal challenges.



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No threatening legal action is nothing new, but capitulating to CAIR by settling to their demands is. It appears to be the post 9/11 gift that keeps on giving...

I'm going back to Delphi, I like the format better.
In Lewiston, CAIR lost its case. (One it had the right to bring regardless). The only case involving driver's licenses in the US that I could find involved a woman suing Florida for the right to wear a niqab (not a burka) in her photo. She also lost.

So where precisely are we capitulating to CAIR's demands like an over eager puppy? Seriously, where are you getting this bull?

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Old 08-29-2010, 07:25 AM
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Drole, I'm disappointed. You didn't point out that his/her only slur about The Austin American Statesman was that it was in Texas. I guess the point was to trade on some stereotype about Texas, but from a rhetorical standpoint it was poor.

Of course, I'm from Texas, so automatically anything I say has no merit.


eta - and is it some pro-Israeli thing to not bother to read or research the writer of something you don't like? The newspaper for which I write had a gentlemen writing in to support the Israeli raid on the Gaza aid flotilla, and he actually wrote the he stopped reading an article he had been pointed to when it diverged from his opinion. Really? At that point you figure, why bother? He's obviously living in his own little world where his opinion is right because it is his opinion and anyone who disagrees or has an alternative viewpoint is obviously wrong because they don't agree with him. It's startling how often one runs across that.
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Old 08-29-2010, 10:31 AM
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Bottom line: There are evil people in every walk of life. Teachers and doctors, black and white, Christian, Islam and Jewish, educated and uneducated, rich and poor, in every nation. There are also inherently good people in every walk of life. It is the duty of the good people to speak out against the evil. Not to stereotype whole groups who share characteristics with those evil people, but to speak against the individual evil people.
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Old 08-29-2010, 02:32 PM
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Bottom line: There are evil people in every walk of life. Teachers and doctors, black and white, Christian, Islam and Jewish, educated and uneducated, rich and poor, in every nation. There are also inherently good people in every walk of life. It is the duty of the good people to speak out against the evil. Not to stereotype whole groups who share characteristics with those evil people, but to speak against the individual evil people.
AGDee, you are so right, but so few people are willing to take the time to get to know people of other cultures so that they can see that they aren't ALL evil. I'm so tired of all the rhetoric about Muslims. I could really scream if I hear another thing about the NY mosque, Sharia law, or anything else coming out of the mouth of someone who doesn't even know someone who practices the religion.
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Old 08-29-2010, 05:54 PM
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Drole, I'm disappointed. You didn't point out that his/her only slur about The Austin American Statesman was that it was in Texas. I guess the point was to trade on some stereotype about Texas, but from a rhetorical standpoint it was poor.

Of course, I'm from Texas, so automatically anything I say has no merit.


eta - and is it some pro-Israeli thing to not bother to read or research the writer of something you don't like? The newspaper for which I write had a gentlemen writing in to support the Israeli raid on the Gaza aid flotilla, and he actually wrote the he stopped reading an article he had been pointed to when it diverged from his opinion. Really? At that point you figure, why bother? He's obviously living in his own little world where his opinion is right because it is his opinion and anyone who disagrees or has an alternative viewpoint is obviously wrong because they don't agree with him. It's startling how often one runs across that.
That's because I didn't know there was a TX paper called the Statesman The one I linked was a British political mag!

I don't think it's a pro-Israel thing as much as it is a "blind supporter" thing. There's been some recent research showing people tend to only go to sites and seek out news told from their preferred political perspective.

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Bottom line: There are evil people in every walk of life. Teachers and doctors, black and white, Christian, Islam and Jewish, educated and uneducated, rich and poor, in every nation. There are also inherently good people in every walk of life. It is the duty of the good people to speak out against the evil. Not to stereotype whole groups who share characteristics with those evil people, but to speak against the individual evil people.
Yes. And manipulative evil people can twist any belief system - political, religious, philosophical - to justify their own actions and solicit support for their way of thinking.
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AGDee, you are so right, but so few people are willing to take the time to get to know people of other cultures so that they can see that they aren't ALL evil. I'm so tired of all the rhetoric about Muslims. I could really scream if I hear another thing about the NY mosque, Sharia law, or anything else coming out of the mouth of someone who doesn't even know someone who practices the religion.
Word.

(Although to add, "My best friend is Muslim" is not a good enough reason to spout idiocy either.)
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Old 08-29-2010, 08:14 PM
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That's because I didn't know there was a TX paper called the Statesman The one I linked was a British political mag!

I don't think it's a pro-Israel thing as much as it is a "blind supporter" thing. There's been some recent research showing people tend to only go to sites and seek out news told from their preferred political perspective.


Yes. And manipulative evil people can twist any belief system - political, religious, philosophical - to justify their own actions and solicit support for their way of thinking.

Word.

(Although to add, "My best friend is Muslim" is not a good enough reason to spout idiocy either.)
Certainly not, but I love when people claim that ALL people in a group are a certain way when they don't know anyone in that group. You don't have to be best friends with a person of the Islamic faith to know that they aren't all extremists. Maybe if they did get past the different clothes, they'd figure out that they're people just like the rest of us, just trying to make a life for their families.
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Old 08-29-2010, 08:38 PM
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Certainly not, but I love when people claim that ALL people in a group are a certain way when they don't know anyone in that group. You don't have to be best friends with a person of the Islamic faith to know that they aren't all extremists. Maybe if they did get past the different clothes, they'd figure out that they're people just like the rest of us, just trying to make a life for their families.
I agree totally and have nothing more to add except this gif.
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Old 08-30-2010, 03:21 PM
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I agree totally and have nothing more to add except this gif.
If you're that cute, Drole, you can come live with me instead of your parents...I can overlook the whole really a girl thing
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Old 08-30-2010, 03:45 PM
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If you're that cute, Drole, you can come live with me instead of your parents...I can overlook the whole really a girl thing
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