12 year old to be charged as adult in double homicide

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by honeychile

As for remorse, guilty or not, psychiatric reports from both sides say that he has no remorse that the fiancee & the baby are dead.

The problem is, there are a whole lot of people who could die and I would have no sadness about their death. That doesn't mean that I would kill them myself.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

If what I'm gathering is correct, and the real issue is that he demonstrates no sorrow that the father's fiancée and her unborn child are dead rather than feeling no remorse for killing them, then we seem to have a word-usage problem. The media uses the word "remorse," but remorse means sorrow for one's own wrongdoing. You don't feel remorse for something someone else did; you feel sorrow, sadness or the like.

Like you said, he's pleading not guilty -- a right guaranteed him by the Constitution. Why would he be expected to show remorse for something that he says he didn't do and that the government hasn't yet proven in court that he did do?

I think this is the problem and it's got everyone's La Perlas in a bunch. If he didn't do it, why's the little bugger gotta show any remorse?

[AOII Angel]

I think showing no remorse makes him less like an adult and more like a child with a poorly developed brain. The sad thing is that we just don't know what to do with these children. If this kid really did kill his dad's girlfriend, he did what was the easiest thing to do in his child-like brain with the easily accessible gun in his closet. He doesn't have the capacity to understand the intricacies of what he should and should not be feeling. All he knows is that he didn't want her around, he figured a way to make her go away, he apparently wasn't bright enough and didn't have enough parental guidance to figure out that his choice was a bad one. That does NOT make him an adult and should not make him liable to adult consequences. He certainly doesn't have the brain development at 12 of an adult!

[christiangirl]

^^^ETA: Yeah, that!

Originally Posted by Prettyface08

Remorse for what? He's trying to get off, if he shows 'remorse' isn't that a hint at guilt? How would that help his defense?

Thus the problem with putting his rationale on par with adults. What 12-year-old do you know would be sitting around thinking, "I can't look remorseful because that would undermine my defense and I have a constitutional right not to say I did it. They have to prove it so I should hide any remorse I feel so I won't help them out." Uh no. That's the rationale of an adult, not a child--which then brings us back to the topic.

[honeychile]

Seriously, has anyone else seen this kid on television? Has anyone else seen his demeanor?

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by honeychile

Seriously, has anyone else seen this kid on television? Has anyone else seen his demeanor?

I've only seen pictures, which make me think "He's such a little kid". Going to hunt for videos online...

Can't find any online videos of this kid on television. If you read the website his dad has put up though, it sounds like the case against him is pretty shaky.

http://www.savejordanbrown.com
Then I came across this blog:
http://wandervogeldiary.wordpress.co...-jordan-brown/

[AOII Angel]

How can this child get a fair trial after this? The judge basically said that this kid committed first degree murder! I am stunned! Is this standard in Pennsylvania? Attention all lawyers, please watch this video and weigh in on this!

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

How can this child get a fair trial after this? The judge basically said that this kid committed first degree murder! I am stunned! Is this standard in Pennsylvania? Attention all lawyers, please watch this video and weigh in on this!

Not a lawyer, but yes, they are truly acting as though this child has already been tried.

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

How can this child get a fair trial after this? The judge basically said that this kid committed first degree murder! I am stunned! Is this standard in Pennsylvania? Attention all lawyers, please watch this video and weigh in on this!

Ok, if my memory serves me correctly, didn't one of the articles say something about him leaving shell casings (or something like that) with his fingerprints on them along his route to the school bus? The bus that he takes with his step-sister? If this is the case then the judge is wrong about him acting with "Criminal sophistication in concealing evidence." What sophisticated criminal would leave their fingerprints on the casings and leave them on the ground like Hansel and Gretel? It actually sounds as if he has already made up his mind about the case.

[AGDee]

I had read that, and then I read that the woman was killed with one shot to the head so where do multiple shell casings come in? School officials are saying that both Jordan and the 7 year old were in school and called down to the office to tell them of the murder and both seemed shocked/surprised at the time. School staff report that the children acted no differently. His defense page indicates that the woman who was killed had her life threatened by an ex-boyfriend. The gun was obviously going to have this kid's fingerprints on it because it was his gun that he'd received for Christmas. They said there was gun powder on his clothes. Is there a chance he was messing with his gun before school, dropped THOSE shells on the ground, left the gun out or somewhere visible and somebody else used it to kill this woman? According to reports on his defense website, he was a good student, had been in no trouble previously and talked excitedly about his new family.

Additionally, the staff psychiatrist at the facility where he has been for a year says he has been appropriate. The psychiatrist hired by the prosecution is the one who says he can't be rehabilitated because he won't accept responsibility for his actions.

And, the kids own father believes the kid to be innocent. Would you fight that hard for a kid who killed your fiance and future child? I don't know how a parent should react in this instance, but I think unconditional love doesn't really exist and if the dad didn't really think his child was innocent, he wouldn't be visiting the kid 6 days a week.

I don't know what I believe at this point. I'd have to hear all the physical evidence they say they have against this kid. I wouldn't want to be on this jury.

In the meantime, this kid is hanging out with delinquents and I have to wonder what behaviors he is learning from them.

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I had read that, and then I read that the woman was killed with one shot to the head so where do multiple shell casings come in? School officials are saying that both Jordan and the 7 year old were in school and called down to the office to tell them of the murder and both seemed shocked/surprised at the time. School staff report that the children acted no differently. His defense page indicates that the woman who was killed had her life threatened by an ex-boyfriend. The gun was obviously going to have this kid's fingerprints on it because it was his gun that he'd received for Christmas. They said there was gun powder on his clothes. Is there a chance he was messing with his gun before school, dropped THOSE shells on the ground, left the gun out or somewhere visible and somebody else used it to kill this woman? According to reports on his defense website, he was a good student, had been in no trouble previously and talked excitedly about his new family.

I wouldn't want to be on this jury.

I WOULDN'T be on this jury. No way I could decide this case. There's too many things going on with this case. Oh, and if this happened before school...why is it that no one heard the shot?