Obama Assassination attempt foiled

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

So you get the point that assassination attempts occur because of the threat of change. Kennedy represented that and he not only had an attempt but he was aware of the assassination potential. He therefore had to understand that the potential is different than that of other presidents whose policies or other qualities fit the status quo.

Now...follow me here to get the larger and more general point...multiply that potential when the candidate is of a group that instantly challenges the status quo: black, female, homosexual, Jewish, etc.

Take care.

Follow me poor dear,

at what point did I say any thing about him having any ability to or actually any stance that isn't the status quo? If anything, he's anti-change. He's the same boring politician as every other with no difference.

Furthermore, your initial premise is foolish and simply stupid. Assassination attempts occur only because the threat of change? Reagan as a counter example comes quickly to mind. I didn't realize the "so-called progressives" were the only politicos to be subject to assassinations. If you qualify your statement with "assassinations sometimes come because of fear of change", then it might be true but also invalidate your following sentences.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

at what point did I say any thing about him having any ability to or actually any stance that isn't the status quo? If anything, he's anti-change. He's the same boring politician as every other with no difference.

Then I guess you wouldn't be the one to attempt to assassinate Obama because he symbolizes change. Don't confuse your opinion of Obama with the general point that has historical and contemporary significance.

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Furthermore, your initial premise is foolish and simply stupid. Assassination attempts occur only because the threat of change? Reagan as a counter example comes quickly to mind. I didn't realize the "so-called progressives" were the only politicos to be subject to assassinations. If you qualify your statement with "assassinations sometimes come because of fear of change", then it might be true but also invalidate your following sentences.

I am obviously not talking about the attempts of sociopaths who are obsessed with a President or something of that nature. And I don't know why you are other than to debate that very small point. Obviously you aren't the only one who knows that Booth was obsessed with Reagan.

ETA: If your only point is that you don't agree that many perceive that Obama stands for change, that social change may not have been a factor in this instance, race might not be a factor, and that these attempters may have plotted this for reasons other than the threat of change...okay...personal opinion noted....

ETA2: As an aside, interesting compilation of failed and "successful" attempts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ation_attempts

Those who were found insane, who said that God told them to do it, and who were obsessed with presidents for seemingly random reasons aside; these assassination attempts were generally based on a threat of change to something and/or displeasure with policy.

[a.e.B.O.T.]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

ETA2: As an aside, interesting compilation of failed and "successful" attempts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ation_attempts

I was talking to someone about a month ago, and they said they won't vote for Obama, because he will be assassinated. It is worth noting that EVERY president since Nixon has had an assassination attempt in which the intended assassin prepared, and arrived to the scene ready to assassin. So, I don't think voting for someone because one candidate is going to be assassinated is a valid reason

[Elephant Walk]

Thank you DST for backtracking and essentially agreeing with me.