Ethical Question - Page 3

Tom Earp · #31 02-10-2008, 10:59 AM

If this is the biggest infraction then it is not as bad as you intimated.

If the schools has regulations, then why have they not said something to them about it? Why hasn't the IFC done something and warned them?

This would seem to be very obvious to anyone with out looking to hard at this infraction.

SWTXBelle · #32 02-10-2008, 11:18 AM

I AGREE WITH TOM (alert the media).

You made it sound like they were throwing drunken orgies and sacrificing small animals. Giving literature to freshmen? Ummm . . .report to IFC.

AOII Angel · #33 02-10-2008, 01:00 PM

Check with IFC...new colonies are often given extra help to make the colony a success. For all you know, they may have been given permission to advertise to the freshmen. If not, the worst they'll get is a rush infraction for that "horrible" offense! Give them a chance to get off the ground!!

jon1856 · #34 02-10-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SNBullet

We already told their national about them. We informed then that a portion of the brotherhood would not be eligible under college rules. But the national has sided with them and made it very clear that they will do so in the future.

Their big infraction so far is supplying freshman with rush literature, and advertising in freshman dorms, which is against college policy. You must be a sophomore in good standing to pledge a fraternity and they are not allowed to advertise to freshman

Well you did what you could and what you believed to be the right thing.

Now, just step back and let the chips fall.

And work with your chapter and the rest of the GLO's on campus to make
the Greeks, in total, look good.

And if the chapter in question has a problem or two, then let you school and National work it out or fix it.

SNBullet · #35 02-10-2008, 02:29 PM

i really didnt want to go into the personal infractions of the individual brothers, but there is a member with a record with the town for assault, and the other has a judicial record with the college for assaulting a Campus police officer. Both of these things prevent them from joining any fraternity. Both of these guys hold the top two positions in the colony. since they are not a full fraternity now, its not a problem, but i find it hard the believe that the two guys instrumental in founding the colony are going to walk away when they get rechartered.

AOII Angel · #36 02-10-2008, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNBullet

i really didnt want to go into the personal infractions of the individual brothers, but there is a member with a record with the town for assault, and the other has a judicial record with the college for assaulting a Campus police officer. Both of these things prevent them from joining any fraternity. Both of these guys hold the top two positions in the colony. since they are not a full fraternity now, its not a problem, but i find it hard the believe that the two guys instrumental in founding the colony are going to walk away when they get rechartered.

Just be glad that they aren't in your fraternity and leave it at that! If they didn't learn their lessons with their arrests and IFC isn't enforcing the rule, there is nothing you can do to stop the inevitable down fall of the colony. Unfortunately, this may have an adverse effect on the greek community, but then again, you have plenty to spin if your story is true.

jon1856 · #37 02-10-2008, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNBullet

i really didn't want to go into the personal infractions of the individual brothers, but there is a member with a record with the town for assault, and the other has a judicial record with the college for assaulting a Campus police officer. Both of these things prevent them from joining any fraternity. Both of these guys hold the top two positions in the colony. since they are not a full fraternity now, its not a problem, but i find it hard the believe that the two guys instrumental in founding the colony are going to walk away when they get rechartered.

Not a good start for a plank-holder.
However, at this point, it is now up to IFC (If they have any say in this at all), the school and National.

Having been involved in one way or another in two charterings, if what you say is even close to be true I would find it interesting if National is not giving this a close review.

33girl · #38 02-11-2008, 11:30 AM

How do the sororities feel about them?

If Panhellenic passes a rule saying that no sororities can mix w/ them because they're violating college policies, that might do the trick.

Of course, if the sororities all like them, this won't work because they'll just party w/ them "unofficially" (i.e. go to their house, just not have mixers).

RU OX Alum · #39 02-11-2008, 11:48 AM

it would be highly unethical for you to try to make them fail

it would be likewise unethical for IFC or the University to intercede

#40 02-15-2008, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNBullet

We already told their national about them. We informed then that a portion of the brotherhood would not be eligible under college rules. But the natioanl has sided with them and made it very clear that they will do so in the future.

Here's something to ponder that others haven't brought up. It appears that the national is going to back them up no matter what (obviously, major mess ups aside). So, there could be two possible outcomes. They charter with nationals and IFC accepts them or they charter with nationals and IFC rejects them and they become an off campus chapter. Which would you rather have? (Yes, I know neither might be a better option). At least if they are part of IFC, then there can be some control or attempt to control them. If they are off campus then there is no IFC/university control and they are pretty much free to do as they please. Yes, they will have national but the national won't be there to monitor what they do. Additionaly, being rejected by IFC might cause even more tension between them and the rest of the Greek system and that could lead to increased ugliness. The best bet might be for the IFC/school to continue and try to work with them and try get them in the right direction. I would think not giving them an IFC charter should be a last resort.

SNBullet · #41 02-17-2008, 07:23 PM

actually, if IFC doesnt recognize them, and the become an off campus chapter, they would be dead. Right now, campus security protects us from the local cops, who really hate us. If they were off campus, then they would be at the mercy of local boro, who would basically live on their doorstep.

KyleMcGuire1983 · #42 02-18-2008, 06:47 AM

Alright bro, here's my advice on what to do.

Now you mentioned the administration has been looking for an excuse to severely burden greek life or eliminate it altogether right? Well if that's the case this new colony's "mistakes" could cost the rest of you your charters! Unlike some GLOs, Sigma Nu doesn't recognize chapters that the school doesn't recognize.

If your future at Gettysburg is REALLY threatened it's time for IFC to act. It's one thing to let them fail, it's another thing for them to drag the rest of you with them!