UK official urges 'segregated' Greeks to cooperate

[_Lisa_]

Originally Posted by MrKnowItAll1906

....oh and I forgot to mention that it really irritates me that some people believe that in a chapter full of about 500 people, if you have 5 blacks, 3 hispanics and 1 asian that they are considered diverse!

I don't think so!

Not one NPC chapter at UK has 500 active members! Not even close!


Oh, and it really irritates me that you aren't willing to recognize diversity for what it is, which (at its simplest definition) is to have a variety. And you can't look at the NPC organizations on UK's campus & say they don't have a variety of women from different races, religions, & ethnicities. It would just be completely false if you even thought it, let alone insinuate it on a public message board.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by _Lisa_

Not one NPC chapter at UK has 500 active members! Not even close!


Oh, and it really irritates me that you aren't willing to recognize diversity for what it is, which (at its simplest definition) is to have a variety. And you can't look at the NPC organizations on UK's campus & say they don't have a variety of women from different races, religions, & ethnicities. It would just be completely false if you even thought it, let alone insinuate it on a public message board.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't mean 500 members where every chapter/school is concerned but you get the point...or you should.

[_Lisa_]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I'm pretty sure he doesn't mean 500 members where every chapter/school is concerned but you get the point...or you should.

This is the point:

Originally Posted by _Lisa_

And you can't look at the NPC organizations on UK's campus & say they don't have a variety of women from different races, religions, & ethnicities. It would just be completely false if you even thought it, let alone insinuate it on a public message board.

Diversity does NOT restrict itself to race only, so saying that even a 100 member chapter is not diverse strictly because the race "breakdown" may not be 50/50, would be untrue.


(And for the record, as if I'm not careful enough to be as specific as possible already, I'm not referring to ANY chapter/school, I'm only referring to UK.)

[MrKnowItAll1906]

[quote=_Lisa_;1513614]Diversity does NOT restrict itself to race only, so saying that even a 100 member chapter is not diverse strictly because the race "breakdown" may not be 50/50, would be untrue.
quote]

I would argue differently. I don't necessarily believe the portions should be equal but I do think there should be a plethora (trying not to use the word diverse! )of choices.

And you hit the nail on the head when you talked about an argument of definition. The worst thing about diversity is that no one can clearly define. We could go and consult good 'ol Webster...but I think even he may be a little biased!

[MrKnowItAll1906]

Originally Posted by _Lisa_

Not one NPC chapter at UK has 500 active members! Not even close!


Oh, and it really irritates me that you aren't willing to recognize diversity for what it is, which (at its simplest definition) is to have a variety. And you can't look at the NPC organizations on UK's campus & say they don't have a variety of women from different races, religions, & ethnicities. It would just be completely false if you even thought it, let alone insinuate it on a public message board.

No what is false is simply your definition of diversity. Why does diversity necessarily have to always be defined by race. I could walk into a room full of African Americans and argue that they are diverse in many ways. UK, as well as many PWIs, throw the diversity word around as if it's a hot potato. Many whites are oblivious to the undermine and hidden acts of segregation on campus. Because it doesn't necessarily personally affect yourself, you are apt to think that it doesn't occur.

And I whole heartedly agree with rhoyaltempest, the solution lies in the unification of support, not necessarily a merging. We should learn to supprot one another's events and not just attend the stepshows because you think it's "cool"!

Oh...and this is a public message board so I think I can freely speak my opinion about anything!

[_Lisa_]

Originally Posted by MrKnowItAll1906

No what is false is simply your definition of diversity.

You can argue with the dictionary over this one, I'm not gonna get into an argument over a definition when that is what the dictionary is for!

Originally Posted by MrKnowItAll1906

Why does diversity necessarily have to always be defined by race.

Exactly the point I made, THANK YOU for agreeing!

Originally Posted by MrKnowItAll1906

And I whole heartedly agree with rhoyaltempest, the solution lies in the unification of support, not necessarily a merging.

I absolutely agree with you both, you make good points.

Originally Posted by MrKnowItAll1906

Oh...and this is a public message board so I think I can freely speak my opinion about anything!

No one told you couldn't, but don't expect us to always agree. Which turns out, we mostly agree anyway (with the exception of your problem with the dictionary & its widely accepted definitions-I've got nothing to do with that!)

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by _Lisa_

You can argue with the dictionary over this one, I'm not gonna get into an argument over a definition when that is what the dictionary is for!

But you do know that dictionaires are often updated to the current usage of a word? :lol:

This discussion has been about the separation of "W"GLOs and BGLOs---not about the separation of religion, culture, or ethnicity. Thus using diversity in the way it has been used is referring to racial variety. That seems appropriate in this discussion, to me.

Oh and the thing is that many places of employment use the global definition of diversity as a cop-out to avoid hiring African Americans.

ETA: I should have read ahead to tld's post. LOL

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by MrKnowItAll1906

....oh and I forgot to mention that it really irritates me that some people believe that in a chapter full of about 500 people, if you have 5 blacks, 3 hispanics and 1 asian that they are considered diverse!

I don't think so!

EXACTLY. The predominately White orgs are just as White as we are Black so I don't know why some of their members get offended when people call them White GLO's. I'm not offended when people refer to NPHC orgs as Black even though we have members of other races.

Also, segregation is not voluntary so I wish people would stop throwing that word around. What the writer of the article should be trying to promote is unity among all greeks; as in support for one another and participation in joint activities. But the bottom line is that some people just don't get it so let them go ahead and do what they do. They won't impact our organizations unless we let them.