We didn't hang that flag, say fraternity/Greenville, NC - Page 3

tunatartare · #31 08-07-2006, 06:40 PM

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall reading somewhere that some black families in the South do fly the confederate flag as a tribute (for lack of a better word) to the South's history.

shinerbock · #32 08-07-2006, 06:41 PM

Jessi, that wasn't against you, it was about the original quote. I don't know how to get a partial quote into the little box.

Honeykiss1974 · #33 08-07-2006, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KLPDaisy

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall reading somewhere that some black families in the South do fly the confederate flag as a tribute (for lack of a better word) to the South's history.

I don't know any and have never met any, but that doesn't mean that there may not be a small minority who do.

shinerbock · #34 08-07-2006, 06:44 PM

Once again, its not MLK as much as other things. Maynard Jackson, in my opinion, was a racist. Against white people. I fully support the black community when they are fighting against real prejudice and when they are also trying to help themselves. For example, that march where black men walk their children to school, great idea. Regarding Kansas, I dunno, I just need to get out of Atlanta.

About the black people flying confederate flags, I think its pretty rare. I've seen it in a few cases, but its the old school small farm black folks who are truly southern and have been in the area for years and years.

jessikay1922 · #35 08-07-2006, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Jessi, that wasn't against you, it was about the original quote. I don't know how to get a partial quote into the little box.

Quote the original poster, and then delete the unwanted portions. Just make sure the Quote/End Quote remains.

Jimmy Choo · #36 08-07-2006, 07:08 PM

We can debate the value of the Confederate flag until we all turn purple. If I'm not mistaken there is a fraternity there that actually flies the flag in their front yard. As an ECU alum I think what bothers me more is the street that they are choosing to rename!!! E. 5th St. is a main road through campus. Does anyone know what portion they are looking to rename? E. 5th runs right in front of campus and covers several sorority house and well-known bars. I can't see changing the name of a street with so much history on it.

TonyB06 · #37 08-07-2006, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Once again, its not MLK as much as other things. Maynard Jackson, in my opinion, was a racist. Against white people. I fully support the black community when they are fighting against real prejudice and when they are also trying to help themselves. For example, that march where black men walk their children to school, great idea. Regarding Kansas, I dunno, I just need to get out of Atlanta.

Shinerbock,
can you offer anything, specifically, that Maynard Jackson did to be labeled a racist in your opinion? ...specifically.

Maynard Jackson was an esteemed and well-loved fraternity brother of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc., whose work on this earth did much to advance Atlanta as a city and the south as a region.

to those who did not know of Bro. Jackson's accomplishments and care for an unbiased view, read on:

Maynard Holbrook Jackson, Jr. (March 23, 1938 – June 23, 2003) was an American politician, a member of the Democratic Party, and the first African-American mayor of Atlanta, Georgia, USA. He served three terms, two consecutive terms from 1974 until 1982 and a third term from 1990 to 1994.

Jackson graduated from Morehouse College in 1956 when he was only eighteen. After attending Boston University law school for a short time, he held several jobs, including selling encyclopedias, before attending the North Carolina Central University law school, graduating in 1964.

He helped rebuild Hartsfield International Airport to modern standards, which was renamed Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport in his honor shortly after his death. He was also mayor when MARTA began rapid transit service in Atlanta, and when Atlanta won as host of the 1996 Centennial Summer Olympics in September 1990. His term as mayor also coincided with the Atlanta Child Murders case, in which he played a prominent role.

He died of cardiac arrest at an Arlington, Virginia hospital after suffering a heart attack at Reagan National Airport in June 2003. He is buried on commons ground at Oakland Cemetery, on a plot dedicated by the City of Atlanta.

Jackson was a member of Alpha Phi Alpha, the first intercollegiate Greek-letter fraternity established for African Americans.

starang21 · #38 08-07-2006, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

^Good call.

On a side note, another flag usually carried by the KKK looks like this

many times without the hood.

sigmadiva · #39 08-07-2006, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

^Good call.

On a side note, another flag usually carried by the KKK looks like this

True. But, these people are also Americans, and that flag, the American flag, represents their right to protest and free speech. My ancestors and past and current family members have fought and died to protect their, meaning the KKK's, right to demonstrate as they want. A little thing called freedom.

The Confederate flag did no such thing. Part of the heritage that the Confederate flag represents is one of oppression and hate where freedom for a certain ethnic group was not allowed.

DSTCHAOS · #40 08-07-2006, 10:33 PM

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Most Southern states did start flying the battle flag or adding it to their state flag out of rebellion in the late 1950s and early 1960s to oppose desegregation - all the reason to stop trying to use the excuse of heritage!

I agree that every town in the US doesn't need a MLK boulevard - so, which ones do? Who decides? Is it just where he's lived, or where he marched? IS Dr. King only supposed to be a hero to black people or Americans of every color, creed and religion?

I agree that Mayor Jackson's name doesn't need to be on the airport when he wasn't even the best black mayor in the history of Atlanta.

The NCAA told SC that they might not come to the state for Championship events due to the battle flag because of the fact that the only reason it flew and had flown since the 1960s is to call for a return to segregation.

But, "black pride" isn't shoved down anyones throat any more that "white pride" has and had been shoved down the throats of this country for the last 200 years while the work and the work product of other groups has been ignored.

You're brilliant.

DSTCHAOS · #41 08-07-2006, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KLPDaisy

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall reading somewhere that some black families in the South do fly the confederate flag as a tribute (for lack of a better word) to the South's history.

Correct. These are symbols that aren't inherently negative in connotation.

It's all about context.

sigmadiva · #42 08-07-2006, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

I'm sorry, but every town I've ever been in had an MLK street.

And that street is usually in a majority Black neighborhood / area. Which, you say you avoid, so why are you complaining?

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Not every one had a Washington or a Jefferson street or high school.

Ummmm......where have you not been? I can't say that I've been to every city / town in the continental US, Hawaii, Alaska and Puerto Rico, but I feel very confident in saying that of the ones I've been to in the continental US, they do have a Washington / Jefferson street / high school. As a matter of fact, the name of my high school is Washington, for Booker T. Washington.

DSTCHAOS · #43 08-07-2006, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ecupidelta

If I'm not mistaken there is a fraternity there that actually flies the flag in their front yard.

I thought Kappa Alpha Order flew that flag because they were founded by Robert E. Lee. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

DSTCHAOS · #44 08-07-2006, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva

The Confederate flag did no such thing. Part of the heritage that the Confederate flag represents is one of oppression and hate where freedom for a certain ethnic group was not allowed.

Many people say the same for the American flag.

sigmadiva · #45 08-07-2006, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Correct. These are symbols that aren't inherently negative in connotation.

It's all about context.

I agree with you. But, when people come on GC and ask 'What's the big deal about your greek letters. They are just letters and many of you are not of actual Greek heritage.'

Then, we as greeks come back and say that our letters have meaning to us. We (greeks) know the context of our letters.

So, while the Confederate flag in of itself is just a flag, it's what people have decided to use the flag to represent. People attack the flag as a way of attacking what it stands for.