Your Thoughts: Day Without Immigrants-Boycott

[Rudey]

Originally posted by firecracker08
Maybe I'm the voice of dissent. People seek out this country because of the opportunity. What bothers me about the discussion is that if there were illegal immigrants from France, or Russia, there wouldn't be a discussion about it. They would be able to come in and assimilate. But for people of a darker hue, everywhere the obstacles are greater, the racism is more apparent. Listening to NPR yesterday, the report said that there were children at the march, people peacefully protesting for their rights. Does this sound familiar at all?

It seems to me that the African American community is being pitted against the Latino community. What better way to keep low income/middle income people from talking about class related issues than to make them squabble over immigration issues. Normally, politicians don't care about low income blacks and their access to health care and schools. But now, some politicians are so concerned with the downtrodden black man because those are day laboring jobs now being taken by the undocumented aliens from Central America. Give me a break!

The issue is becoming politicized much like the gay marriage issue(another thread) to encourage blacks to fight against other ethnic and sexual orientation groups. This country typically could give a damn what happens to black America except when they need someone to fight against someone else.

Honestly, I'm a little jealous of the ability of immigrants to stand together regardless of country of nationality and fight against the legislation. It would be nice if the Black community could unite together with issues that bring people together not tear them apart.

Yall got me typing fast and breathin hard over here.

How exactly would a Russian easily migrate to the US illegally? There is a reason why so many illegals are Mexican and that's because the border is open and right next to the US.

It's not about Mexicans, it's about illegals. The law is already there. It's not about should we let them in or not or are illegal immigrants bad. That's been decided on and they are illegal because of it. It's about enforcing the law.

-Rudey

[Paradise359]

Try as you may this ain about black vs white. This is about Illegal Immigration and Illegal Immigrants. All of them are not just light-skinned latino, but limited to Cuban ones. All illegal immigrants. There is alot of time, effort & money that goes into getting prpoer documentation WHEREVER you're from. I am from the Bahamas. Wonderful place. Politics are fine, money is strong, the only boats we arriving to the US on are cruise ships or our personal watercrafts. Point is me being able to go to school in the US I had paperwork to go through to attain my Visa and to keep that Visa.

Do you know they want to let illegal immigrants go to university for the IN-STATE price while I, who has gone through the long process that an international student does pays out of state price??? Don't think so.
Caribbean people & those who are not geographically connected to the US are going to have to go through the proper channels for the most part b/c like Rudey said we can't sneak across any border.

The point in this whole matter is you have to follow the laws of the land & whatever documentation is required is necessary for you to have! End of story! Lots of other people come to the US some for a better life, some for a change of scenery(not every immigrant is escaping hardships) and they do it RIGHT. I suggest these folks do the same & become legal, financial contributers to the American society.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Paradise359
Try as you may this ain about black vs white. This is about Illegal Immigration and Illegal Immigrants. All of them are not just light-skinned latino, but limited to Cuban ones. All illegal immigrants. There is alot of time, effort & money that goes into getting prpoer documentation WHEREVER you're from. I am from the Bahamas. Wonderful place. Politics are fine, money is strong, the only boats we arriving to the US on are cruise ships or our personal watercrafts. Point is me being able to go to school in the US I had paperwork to go through to attain my Visa and to keep that Visa.

Do you know they want to let illegal immigrants go to university for the IN-STATE price while I, who has gone through the long process that an international student does pays out of state price??? Don't think so.
Caribbean people & those who are not geographically connected to the US are going to have to go through the proper channels for the most part b/c like Rudey said we can't sneak across any border.

The point in this whole matter is you have to follow the laws of the land & whatever documentation is required is necessary for you to have! End of story! Lots of other people come to the US some for a better life, some for a change of scenery(not every immigrant is escaping hardships) and they do it RIGHT. I suggest these folks do the same & become legal, financial contributers to the American society.

I can't believe you left the Bahamas. And do you get British citizenship there or is it an independent country?

-Rudey

[f8nacn]

Originally posted by Paradise359
Try as you may this ain about black vs white. This is about Illegal Immigration and Illegal Immigrants. All of them are not just light-skinned latino, but limited to Cuban ones. All illegal immigrants. There is alot of time, effort & money that goes into getting prpoer documentation WHEREVER you're from. I am from the Bahamas. Wonderful place. Politics are fine, money is strong, the only boats we arriving to the US on are cruise ships or our personal watercrafts. Point is me being able to go to school in the US I had paperwork to go through to attain my Visa and to keep that Visa.

Do you know they want to let illegal immigrants go to university for the IN-STATE price while I, who has gone through the long process that an international student does pays out of state price??? Don't think so.
Caribbean people & those who are not geographically connected to the US are going to have to go through the proper channels for the most part b/c like Rudey said we can't sneak across any border.

The point in this whole matter is you have to follow the laws of the land & whatever documentation is required is necessary for you to have! End of story! Lots of other people come to the US some for a better life, some for a change of scenery(not every immigrant is escaping hardships) and they do it RIGHT. I suggest these folks do the same & become legal, financial contributers to the American society.

I agree with your post 100%. I remember what it was like watching my mother and her husband go through the proper procedure for him to come over legally (he's from Jamaica) and even my aunt in bringing my cousin over (My aunt who is an American moved to Freeport Bahamas and married a guy there and they adopted a little girl; he died and they moved back home)...so to say the Process is WORTH fighting. If you aren't willing to go through the proper procedures, why should anyone be granted citizenship and walk in the freedom and amenities that we have.

[abaici]

Originally posted by DELTABRAT
No traffic on the 405...sorry.

Very true! Apparently, most of the freeways were easy breezy.

[Paradise359]

Originally posted by Rudey
I can't believe you left the Bahamas. And do you get British citizenship there or is it an independent country?

-Rudey

lol I'm back home right now. We are independent.

[Wonderful1908]

I truly believe in karma, what goes around comes around.

If you found your country by raping, murdering, isolating and "illegally" coming to claim a land that belongs to someone else, you are asking for it later in your history. I am sure according to the Native Americans many Europeans did not confirm with them the process for coming to the New World they just "illegally" bombarded themselves on the country and eventually took over. Hmmm sounds familiar.....however the law is the law and karma or not that can't be your excuse for coming here illegally.

At any rate I think that the process of becoming a citizen is the problem. It is this process of coming here and truly wanting a better life and having to go through red tape to get it. Give me a break I don't care what anybody types, this country will be eventually majority Hispanic in our lifetime.

I agree a country of immigrants can't choose and pick whom they want, they tried that with the Irish and that did not work, its about being organized for your cause and that is something that these immigrants are doing a damn good job of. Sometimes you have to just publizize your case to make change.....

It amazes me that people are like the law is the law, so that means people shouldn't get out there and try to change it. Wasn't segregation once illegal? Wasn't interracial marriage once illegal? Surely these people who took to the streets were once is a similiar boat as many of the peope in history who want change. I think the thing that disturbs everybody is that they are ORGANIZED and you know deep down they will eventually get reforms in their favor, I mean think about it, how can any judge, governor, senator, or anybody in power say sorry we are reforming the process to make it harder to be a citizen? When its all said and one it will be only easier.....

[Paradise359]

People, so many are missing the point. I don't see how these people's plight is being compared to black Americans who were born in America! How does that even compare to people who are her ILLEGALLY? Immigration is NOT the issue ....ILLEGAL immigration is. It's a fallacy to grab some law any law & then try & apply it to immigration. It's like arguing apples and oranges. No, you can not have the same rights as citizens when you are not one. See, the difference between Black Americans & illegal Immigrants is that Black citizens were fighting to have to SAME rights as their white counterparts, afterall they were born here. See they were already Americans, but viewed as a much lower class American. Illegal immigrants aren't viewed as any Americans because they're not.

I hope everyone who is all "we are the world" realizes that you have to look out for your country & your countrymen first. To just let everybody in however they come in is not in the best interest of the country.

Yes America is generally a well off nation, but not every american citizen is well off. The resources that the country has needs to be for the people of America. There's this skewed view that America is somebody's Daddy & can take care of the world but they're not & they can't. There are Americans that still need to be helped. Don't go & share yourselves right out of your own pie.

[bluethunder]

Originally posted by starang21
because the current law of the land requires them to be documented.

...and i second that emotion.

if you are here legally, that is one thing. but when you BREAK THE LAW to be here, that is a whole 'nother ball of wax. while it may be time consuming to get the proper paperwork done and it may be harder to do it the legal way, VERY BAD THINGS HAPPEN when you are here illegally: shady employers exploit you and threaten you with turning you in, there is human slavery, human trafficking... yes, these things are very much alive and well in 2006. how are you going to demand the rights and privileges of an American or a legal immigrant if you are here ILLEGALLY? i don't know about you all, but i would be pretty darn TICKED if i spent all this time, money, and effort to gain lawful status in this country the RIGHT way, and then somebody comes here illegally and then just gets the same things that i do...

i think the process to being granted citizenship in this country is a long one, but i think that citizenship into the country shouldn't be something that is just afforded to whomever wants it. there should be a process and if it is lengthy and costly... i don't mean to be unsympathetic, but so be it. the opportunities and securities that citizenship afford you will provide a hundredfold return on the investment over the course of a lifetime. AND...just as an aside, i work for the federal government (and i just finished up a grad class on Refugees, Immigrants, and Migrants) and we talk all this stuff about America exploiting immigrants...but there are TONS of instances where America does for immigrants what it will not do for its native citizens who were born here and worked here all their lives... where is the protest for that?

[bluethunder]

Originally posted by Paradise359
People, so many are missing the point. I don't see how these people's plight is being compared to black Americans who were born in America! How does that even compare to people who are her ILLEGALLY? Immigration is NOT the issue ....ILLEGAL immigration is. It's a fallacy to grab some law any law & then try & apply it to immigration. It's like arguing apples and oranges. No, you can not have the same rights as citizens when you are not one. See, the difference between Black Americans & illegal Immigrants is that Black citizens were fighting to have to SAME rights as their white counterparts, afterall they were born here. See they were already Americans, but viewed as a much lower class American. Illegal immigrants aren't viewed as any Americans because they're not.

I hope everyone who is all "we are the world" realizes that you have to look out for your country & your countrymen first. To just let everybody in however they come in is not in the best interest of the country.

Yes America is generally a well off nation, but not every american citizen is well off. The resources that the country has needs to be for the people of America. There's this skewed view that America is somebody's Daddy & can take care of the world but they're not & they can't. There are Americans that still need to be helped. Don't go & share yourselves right out of your own pie.

well said...

[Wonderful1908]

Originally posted by Paradise359
People, so many are missing the point. I don't see how these people's plight is being compared to black Americans who were born in America! How does that even compare to people who are her ILLEGALLY? Immigration is NOT the issue ....ILLEGAL immigration is. It's a fallacy to grab some law any law & then try & apply it to immigration. It's like arguing apples and oranges. No, you can not have the same rights as citizens when you are not one. See, the difference between Black Americans & illegal Immigrants is that Black citizens were fighting to have to SAME rights as their white counterparts, afterall they were born here. See they were already Americans, but viewed as a much lower class American. Illegal immigrants aren't viewed as any Americans because they're not.

I hope everyone who is all "we are the world" realizes that you have to look out for your country & your countrymen first. To just let everybody in however they come in is not in the best interest of the country.

Yes America is generally a well off nation, but not every american citizen is well off. The resources that the country has needs to be for the people of America. There's this skewed view that America is somebody's Daddy & can take care of the world but they're not & they can't. There are Americans that still need to be helped. Don't go & share yourselves right out of your own pie.

(Soror this reply is to the thread not you, I was just quoting you because I agree with some of what your saying)

However I don't think we should just be like hey world come on in, the problem is more the way our system is designed. I guess growing up in California, my grandparents coming from Cuba and teaching in Houston makes me slightly more exposed than the average individual to this issue. I agree that illegal immigration is the problem, but the solution is not complainig about these people wanting a free handout, please I am sure that based on only my experiences that I'd rather Jose's kids get WIC, while he works 16 hours a day than Sally Sue trailer trash who smokes Marlboros all day with no job. Please people where are these jobs immiigrants have we as Americans want? I don't want to clean a house, fix a roof or prepare Big Macs, yes as an American I do not want to do those things, period.

BTW where is my pie? I missed my slice

[starang21]

Originally posted by Wonderful1908
(Soror this reply is to the thread not you, I was just quoting you because I agree with some of what your saying)

However I don't think we should just be like hey world come on in, the problem is more the way our system is designed. I guess growing up in California, my grandparents coming from Cuba and teaching in Houston makes me slightly more exposed than the average individual to this issue. I agree that illegal immigration is the problem, but the solution is not complainig about these people wanting a free handout, please I am sure that based on only my experiences that I'd rather Jose's kids get WIC, while he works 16 hours a day than Sally Sue trailer trash who smokes Marlboros all day with no job. Please people where are these jobs immiigrants have we as Americans want? I don't want to clean a house, fix a roof or prepare Big Macs, yes as an American I do not want to do those things, period.

BTW where is my pie? I missed my slice

it's an impossible problem to solve. giving the undocumented immigrants all amnesty is a slap in the face of every single naturalized american citizen in the country. however, a mass deportation is logistically impossible.

[Wonderful1908]

Originally posted by starang21
it's an impossible problem to solve. giving the undocumented immigrants all amnesty is a slap in the face of every single naturalized american citizen in the country. however, a mass deportation is logistically impossible.

I agree, and it will eventually "solve" itself. Mainly by continuing to be this way it is now. The census predicts that Hispanic (who are not all the illegal immigrants) will be the almost on their way to being the majority by 2050.

[Paradise359]

Originally posted by Wonderful1908
I don't want to clean a house, fix a roof or prepare Big Macs, yes as an American I do not want to do those things, period.

BTW where is my pie? I missed my slice

Me neither to those jobs lol And I'll send you some pie Soror lol May take a while coming from the BA

[wrigley]

Originally posted by Rudey
How exactly would a Russian easily migrate to the US illegally? There is a reason why so many illegals are Mexican and that's because the border is open and right next to the US.

It's not about Mexicans, it's about illegals. The law is already there. It's not about should we let them in or not or are illegal immigrants bad. That's been decided on and they are illegal because of it. It's about enforcing the law.

-Rudey

If someone can afford the price of a airline ticket and a passport from their country of origin to get here, all they have to do is overstay on their visas. I'm not aware of there being enough peoplepower to track everyone of them down. I still can't bring myself to see the 9/11 movie.

Isn't it a felony in Mexico if you're caught entering the country illegally? Why can't the U.S. do the same? Is it a felony if you enter Canada illegally?