Update on K A Psi FAMU Hazing Incident

[SKEEphistAKAte]

Five Kappa Alpha Psi brothers accused of beating a pledge with canes have just received their official letters of dismissal from FAMU, but their lawyer contends the university had no right to ban them from class or from campus without a formal hearing first.


http://www.wctv6.com/home/headlines/2654836.html

[IntegriTY1908]

And the madness continues......

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by marquise1911
I believe that the MIP needs to be revamped. What the MIP has become is a massive photocopy machine that each of our perspective organizations are using to spew out members who do absolutely nothing for our frats/sororities, but wear t-shirts.

Speak for your frat only. And how do you know how any of the other respective org's MIP is structured?

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by mccoyred
I think that this right here is the key!

IMHO, I think that the 'upsurge' is related to a larger societal issue of entitlement. Prospectives feel that if they meet the requirements, then they are owed membership, regardless of their reputation, legacy status or work ethic. On the other hand, members feel that they must make someone 'right' in order for them to wear the same letters, without regard to brotherhood/sisterhood, earning respect or their personal example of living the principles.

But this existed way before MIP.

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by marquise1911

Pledging doesn't need to be eliminated, it needs to be controlled.

MIP is controlled pledging. At least it is in Delta. The bleeding you refer to is NOT part of MIP. It is hazing. And no folx are not being hurt more frequently than before. When MIP was put into place it was because the hazing had almost reached epidemic proportions--it was the norm, not the exception. And guess what back in the day most HBCUs had a limit of six week pledge periods, anyway--some even shorter. Truth be told, a pledge period over 6 weeks long was mostly about servitude, and how many people you could get to drop line.

[marquise1911]

Originally posted by ladygreek
Speak for your frat only. And how do you know how any of the other respective org's MIP is structured?

I call it like I see it, for all organizations!

[marquise1911]

Originally posted by ladygreek
MIP is controlled pledging. At least it is in Delta. The bleeding you refer to is NOT part of MIP. It is hazing. And no folx are not being hurt more frequently than before. When MIP was put into place it was because the hazing had almost reached epidemic proportions--it was the norm, not the exception. And guess what back in the day most HBCUs had a limit of six week pledge periods, anyway--some even shorter. Truth be told, a pledge period over 6 weeks long was mostly about servitude, and how many people you could get to drop line.

Laughing so hard right now!!! 6 weeks!!! How much punch and cake can u consume...that's pledging under MIP!!! How many times can u meet up and study in one week. HA!!!!

[teena]

Hijack

I am so glad my cousins have graduated and left town and didnt get caught in that stuff. They both die hard Kappas out of that chapter. I came to their probate shows.
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I really hope this ends ok. I kinda feel bad that those boys (the one who got expelled) are going to be the ones who get made the example of when hazing didnt start with them nor will it end with them.

[OhioCentaur]

Originally posted by teena
Hijack

I am so glad my cousins have graduated and left town and didnt get caught in that stuff. They both die hard Kappas out of that chapter. I came to their probate shows.
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I really hope this ends ok. I kinda feel bad that those boys (the one who got expelled) are going to be the ones who get made the example of when hazing didnt start with them nor will it end with them.

You feel sorry for what? That they were made an example of? Overboard is overboard and thats that... you cant feel bad that they got caught doing wrong. I'm sure no one FORCED them to beat the hell outta them guys with canes, do you? If enough people get punished the right way for hazing it will die down. People will see the risk in what they are doing and at very least be smart with it next time around.

It sucks their future at the school is over but knowing that worse could happen they should chalk it up as a loss and keep it moving. They didnt lose their letters did they?

[teena]

Originally posted by OhioCentaur
You feel sorry for what? That they were made an example of? Overboard is overboard and thats that... you cant feel bad that they got caught doing wrong. I'm sure no one FORCED them to beat the hell outta them guys with canes, do you? If enough people get punished the right way for hazing it will die down. People will see the risk in what they are doing and at very least be smart with it next time around.

It sucks their future at the school is over but knowing that worse could happen they should chalk it up as a loss and keep it moving. They didnt lose their letters did they?

I always get sad when i see a young student do something to harm their future.

I hear you. The hazing is the wrong thing to do, absolutely. But those guys didnt invent.hazing.

Its sad that they were hazing and actually hurt someone. Its sad that someone has permanent and long term damage as a result of hazing. Its sad that the Kappas havent that long been back on the yard and are now kicked back off (if Im not mistaken). I think that it is sad that if you ask a Famu student about their Kappas they would prob say something about the hazing and not anything about the good the Kappa's may have done.

I'm close to my cousins and I know how much they love their fraternity and all the work they've done for their fraternity. I just think the whole thing is sad.

[SKEEphistAKAte]

Originally posted by teena
I hear you. The hazing is the wrong thing to do, absolutely. But those guys didnt invent.hazing.

It sounds like you are excusing them to a certain extent because "they didn't invent hazing". If so, that reasoning is faulty. Serial killers didn't invent murder, they aren't the first to kill neither will they be the last to kill- so do you suggest that they not suffer the harsh consequences of their actions?

[teena]

Originally posted by SKEEphistAKAte
It sounds like you are excusing them to a certain extent because "they didn't invent hazing". If so, that reasoning is faulty. Serial killers didn't invent murder, they aren't the first to kill neither will they be the last to kill- so do you suggest that they not suffer the harsh consequences of their actions?

No. Im just saying that those boys are getting what they deserve. Thoses boys arent the devil. They are just like my cousins or any other person caught up in foolishness. The problems go a lot higher than them. The system is flawed and it is nice to make changes but I think the changes need to start top down not bottom up.

[mulattogyrl]

Originally posted by marquise1911
Laughing so hard right now!!! 6 weeks!!! How much punch and cake can u consume...that's pledging under MIP!!! How many times can u meet up and study in one week. HA!!!!

[FeeFee]

Originally posted by marquise1911
I call it like I see it, for all organizations!

Are you saying that you know how everyone's MIP is structured?

[FeeFee]

Originally posted by mulattogyrl

Me too.