Naval Academy charges QB Owens with rape - Page 3

KillarneyRose · #1 03-06-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally posted by georgewallace3
Having friends at The Citadel, West Point, and The Naval Academy....I have always heard that The Citadel was the most hardcore out of all of them, and that the pecentage of Citadel grads in the Army Rangers and Special Forces divisions was overwhelming.

I tend to think that that particular bit of wisdom came from your friend at the Citadel?

I think that the cadets at all of the state military schools think THEIR school is the most hardcore.

I will give them kudos, though, for being willing to shell out money to get the abuse mine and alum's husbands took for free! lol

ETA: I'd be interested in reading your source regarding the percentage of Citadel graduates in Spec Ops if you have a minute to post it. Thanks!

alum · #2 03-06-2006, 05:19 PM

What KR said....

From what I understand the VMI, Citadel etc inductions before school begins is about a week or 2, whereas Army, Navy and Air Force begin in late June, early July. I know R-Day for USMA is June 26 this year. Cadet Basic Training (fondly known as Beast Barracks) is approximately 8 fun-filled weeks before classes start. During this time, the new students are not cadets but New Cadets and will be until their full induction into the Corps in August. Then comes plebe year and they will be fully recognized at the end of the year.

Many cadets have said over the years:
..."West Point is a $500,000 education... shoved up your ___ - one nickel at a time"

When Gen Alum was there the quote was only $250K. Inflation, I guess.

KR, ask the admiral if there was the same adage about Navy.

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This is NOT denigrating any ROTC program or state military college. It's just that the US service academies are different and have a sole purpose.

KillarneyRose · #3 03-06-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by alum
KR, ask the admiral if there was the same adage about Navy.

He's only a Commander but, yea, I've definitely heard that before

alum · #4 03-06-2006, 05:56 PM

I'm sure he's an admiral in the eyes of you and your girls.

CutiePie2000 · #5 03-06-2006, 09:30 PM

This thread began in February. Any new developments about the rapist?

KSig RC · #6 03-07-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by CutiePie2000
This thread began in February. Any new developments about the rapist?

Ah Jesus, can we at least pretend we believe in "innocent until proven guilty"?

I don't want to get all New York Times Editorial Board on you, but an 'alleged' wouldn't kill you.

Rudey · #7 03-07-2006, 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by KSig RC
Ah Jesus, can we at least pretend we believe in "innocent until proven guilty"?

I don't want to get all New York Times Editorial Board on you, but an 'alleged' wouldn't kill you.

She's Canadian. She doesn't understand American laws.

-Rudey

CutiePie2000 · #8 03-07-2006, 12:33 PM

I'm travelling to France, so I am boning up on my Napoleonic code (Guilty until proven innocent).

DeltAlum · #9 03-08-2006, 05:44 PM

The alleged victim of the attack says she and an investigator taped a phone conversation with Owens in which he said he was distraught over what he had done, and considered killing himself.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/5392082

When asked under cross examination if she might have consented, she said, "I suppose," but later said if she couldn't remember consenting she didn't consider it consent. She admits to being drunk. He said she was "asleep" most of the time.

Tom Earp · #10 03-09-2006, 07:24 PM

Swell, another He Did, Or Might have?

Could have would have or what ever?

High, I have Been I think, well at least a deffinite maybe.

If not true, way to go to screw a Young Mans life!

KillarneyRose · #11 03-09-2006, 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by Tom Earp
If not true, way to go to screw a Young Mans life!

Tom, Midn 1/C Owens said himself that she was asleep most of the time. No one is capable of giving consent while sleeping unless they're telepathic or something!

DeltAlum · #12 03-09-2006, 09:45 PM

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Originally posted by KillarneyRose
Tom, Midn 1/C Owens said himself that she was asleep most of the time. No one is capable of giving consent while sleeping unless they're telepathic or something!

Yeah, that's pretty damning -- the only question is whether she really did give consent. I don't know how to read her "I suppose" answer which she then recanted. It's possible that she did consent and then pass out, but his feelings of guilt along with "asleep" comments are pretty hard to overlook.

No matter how this turns out, someone probably gets kicked out of the academy and loses a potential career.

Just have to hope that the military justice system works correctly in this case.

alum · #13 03-18-2006, 11:31 PM

An update on the situation:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...031800760.html

James · #14 03-19-2006, 03:25 AM

Does that mean we get to make the guy an Example?

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Originally posted by alum
An update on the situation:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...031800760.html

DeltAlum · #15 03-19-2006, 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by James
Does that mean we get to make the guy an Example?

I think what it probably means is that superintendents of the service academy(s) and the faculty are going to have to take alleged sexual assaults seriously.

The latest article does not mention the Air Force Academy, but the same thing was in all of the news media here a year or two ago and investigations turned up pretty much the same thing.