disaffiliated and questions

[James]

If its a different school, why even tell them you belonged somewhere else? You have your letter of severance if it ever comes up.

[UCLAblondeGPhiB]

I'm confused....

I've never really thought about the fact that I don't really know all the of the IFC rules regarding depledging/dissafiliated/etc. and joining another house later.

With PNC sororities, you can pledge one house, and as long as you 'depledge' before initiation, you have to wait one calendar year and then you can join another house. This is a Panhellenic rule to protect the member sororities. The key here is that you've never been initiated into one organization, therefore knowing all their secrets, and then initiate into another.

I know plenty of people on my campus, both men and women, who had pledged another house, but left before initiation and then joined (and stuck with) another house. There's not much stigma against those who've left one organization and want to rush again: usually it's just understood that they found their former house didn't match as well as they thought.

Sometimes people climb the ladder when they trade in one house for another, sometimes they are genuinely looking for a better fit. One of the girls in my house pledged another organization freshman year, but then depledged because it lacked the kind of sisterhood she wanted. She's one of the coolest, sweetest girls I know, and we were happy to bid her.


Anyway... so is the fraternity system less cut-and-dry? It seems odd to me that IFC would allow someone to initiate and know all the 'secrets' of more than one house.

Could someone clarify the initiation thing?

[Tom Earp]

He posted, that He Initiated and then left.

While a presedent has been set at different times, it is not a normal thing to do.

Once you as an individual are Inititated then, you will not be allowed to Affiliate with an NIC Member Greek Organization with out the Written Authoriztiuon from the Grand High Ruling Directors not the Local Chapter.

It is a tough call either way.

Should This Person be allowed to accede to another Greek Organizationa and why did He do it? What was the reason that He did after finding out the Secrets of The First Said Organizatin.

Now, that to me becomes the question?

[Kevin]

It's not really a question for us. It's a question that the gentlemen in the chapters he is interterested in now will have to answer.

And FIJI -- the NIC is not really a governing organization, it's more of an advocacy organization that sometimes has "agreed to" rules that all of our member groups can either follow or not at their leisure. It's kind of a confederacy of organizations.

And their advocacy has been kind of pathetic in the past several years.

[AXOjen]

Thanks, UCLAblonde! I'm confused, too, so I'm happy to see I'm not the only one.

I think I understand that the gentleman in question went through initiation and then realized that he would not be happy as a member of that chapter. But that doesn't mean that his entire fraternity... worldwide... is bad.

I am surprised that a full fledged member can decide that he doesn't like his fraternity's chapter and go become a member of an entirely different fraternity. Now he knows the inner workings of two different groups.

I don't really think you can compare it to a marriage that has turned abusive. In this case, the spouse isn't the chapter... but the fraternity. Surely the entire fraternity isn't abusive?

I feel for the guy who finds his chapter isn't a good fit and then is stuck without an active college experience and letters that don't mean anything to him.

Best wishes, Allmixedup.

[Kevin]

When dealing with the here and now, we have to talk about the chapter, not the national organization. His choices in most cases include disaffiliation (which he chose), transferring to another school and not affiliating, or to just stop paying dues and showing up -- then waiting to see what happens.

The NIC is VERY different from the NPC.

And as I have said before, there's a good chance that there will be enough members at the places he wants to go who don't like what he's doing either -- there's a good chance he won't even get a bid because of his history.

I don't think my chapter would give him a bid to tell you the truth. The President that I served as Vice Pres (that's Lieutenant Commander in Sigma Nu talk) actually had depledged ATO because of things I won't mention here -- and I only mention it was ATO because an ATO reading that would find it amusing. He turned out to be a huge contributor to our house.

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by UCLAblondeGPhiB
I'm confused....

I've never really thought about the fact that I don't really know all the of the IFC rules regarding depledging/dissafiliated/etc. and joining another house later.

With PNC sororities, you can pledge one house, and as long as you 'depledge' before initiation, you have to wait one calendar year and then you can join another house.

Anyway... so is the fraternity system less cut-and-dry? It seems odd to me that IFC would allow someone to initiate and know all the 'secrets' of more than one house.

Could someone clarify the initiation thing?

First, as ktsnake says, the NIC (IFCs are campus councils, NIC is the international council) is not a governing body. It is an advocacy/mutual support organization.

When a fraternity joins the NIC, it does agree to some rules. One of these is that an NIC fraternity will not knowingly initiate a man who has previously been initiated by another NIC fraternity. But NIC policies allow one exception to this rule: one NIC fraternity can initiate someone who was once initiated by another NIC fraternity if the national HQ of the first fraternity informs the national HQ of the second fraternity, in writing, that the guy in question is no longer a member of the first fraternity.

That's NIC policy. Some NIC member fraternities have their own stricter policies -- they will not knowingly initiate a man previously initiated by another fraternity period, even if the man is no longer a member of the first fraternity and has the letter to prove it. In other words, these NIC fraternities, by their own governing documents, foreclose the possibility of taking advantage of the exception allowed by the NIC.

[AXOjen]

The President that I served as Vice Pres... actually had depledged ATO because of things I won't mention here... He turned out to be a huge contributor to our house.

It must all even out, ktsnake. I knew a guy who depledged Sigma Chi and became an ATO.

[ATOtnBetaTau]

-- and I only mention it was ATO because an ATO reading that would find it amusing.

Hey Ktsnake, I do find it amusing.

You've got some of the coolest ATO/Sigma Nu stories. I wish I knew more Sigma Nu's.

Jason

[Kevin]

Originally posted by ATOtnBetaTau
Hey Ktsnake, I do find it amusing.

You've got some of the coolest ATO/Sigma Nu stories. I wish I knew more Sigma Nu's.

Jason

Yah.. when active, I always wanted to do a whitefoot/blackfoot thing.. but it never came to fruition. I won't go into detail as to why, but suffice to say it didn't happen.

There are quite a few things I could share about ATO - SN relations in the area, but nothing that would be appropriate to print in a public forum if you catch my drift

[Tom Earp]

Yes, while it can and does happen, it is not the norm.

I can understand but there will still be doubts as this Individual went through a Ritual and Intitiated.

[Allmixedup311]

does anyone know if any of the fraternities i mentioned (kappa sigma, sig ep, or sae) have any SPECIFIC rules against this? ie do i have at least an outside shot at joining these fraternities?

[KSUViolet06]

Originally posted by Allmixedup311
does anyone know if any of the fraternities i mentioned (kappa sigma, sig ep, or sae) have any SPECIFIC rules against this? ie do i have at least an outside shot at joining these fraternities?

I believe Kappa Sigma does not take men who have prfeviously initiated into another frat.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by JocelynC
I believe Kappa Sigma does not take men who have prfeviously initiated into another frat.

How do you know this?

[wrigley]

Here's a thought for you. If every NIC fraternity has a different policy on this situation, why not just email the national fraternities that you're interested in and ask them.

Ariesrising has a page that all NIC groups.
Scroll down and take your pick