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07-03-2004, 07:31 PM
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Ah, here's what the previous poster was talking about, I think (quoted from another site) ....
University of Oklahoma junior Kristi Bryan was rejected by her sorority, Delta Delta Delta because she posed in Playboy. The organization stripped Bryan of all membership privileges for appearing nude in the magazine's "Girls of the Big 12".
As of October Bryan was seeking legal action to keep her sorority membership. On Nov. 8, 1996, Kristi was on Inside Edition. The program made the Tri-Delt Headquarters look unorganized and uninterested and the local chapter look like prudes after shovelling the Inside Edition camera people out of the chapter house.
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07-03-2004, 07:50 PM
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Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that unless a woman is doing something that directly harms someone else (like battery, for example), everyone should chill out about it -- but then, LOL, James probably knew I'd say something like that.
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07-03-2004, 07:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by valkyrie
Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that unless a woman is doing something that directly harms someone else (like battery, for example), everyone should chill out about it
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07-03-2004, 08:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by valkyrie
Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that unless a woman is doing something that directly harms someone else (like battery, for example), everyone should chill out about it -- but then, LOL, James probably knew I'd say something like that.
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LOL--I'd knew you say something like that. And you probably know I agree with you.
I would basically say, anything that would get her kicked out of school would get her kicked out of the sorority. That's serious isht, not shacking.
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07-03-2004, 08:27 PM
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I used to be really really judgemental about chapters that kicked women out for things like posing for Playboy, but I've softened my views over time. Sometimes the culture of the campus demands it. I mean - if you're at a very conservative campus and don't do something about it, it could affect you in numerous ways. It could cripple your rush. It could turn off fraternities. It could cause alumnae donations to dry up. Do I agree with this sort of attitude? No, not at all. But if you want to be at that school, that's the price you've got to pay and the culture you've got to work in. You manage your chapter affairs, I'll manage mine. The only time this doesn't work is when the national offices start to believe chapters should be homogenous and want to apply Pennsylvania standards to a chapter in California or Alabama, or private schools to public. Every school is different. I'm sure that at some schools, a member posing for Playboy might make membership and campus rep shoot UP.
Words like "values" and "morals" don't set right with a lot of people because everyone's are different. The women we expelled were expelled primarily because of the way they treated the sisters and the lack of reponsibility they showed toward the sorority - not who they slept with or how much they drank. I don't care if someone is the most popular girl on campus with a 4.0 and a zillion activities - if she is awful to her sisters or just doesn't have time from them, her butt can't be out the door soon enough.
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05-08-2007, 12:29 PM
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05-08-2007, 12:43 PM
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we aren't allowed to drink in letters in public... but certain times are ok...
basically... we're always representing our organization.... especially in letters, so we try to act appropriately... and if a sister doesn't... then she is reprimanded...
we only "expel" someone for violating our vows as sisters that we take when we get in, i.e. telling our secrets and rituals, or stealing.. iguess being convicted of a felony...d epending on the felony i guess too... we don't have nationals, so it's rare but we determine these things on a case by case basis
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05-08-2007, 01:12 PM
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Do not cuss in your letters, do not smoke in your letters, do not drink in your letters...or anything else "unladylike". That's the "in stone" rules we're given. (Not that you would actually get in trouble for those things, unless you are caught drinking underage...it's a respect thing.) Is that what everyone does? No. I'm sure that International would appreciate it if no one in our chapter smoked, no one drank underage or to excess, no one had sex, no one cursed (I won't with my letters on...which is why I don't here...but...), etc. but this is college. That is totally unrealistic, I don't care how "goody two shoes" your chapter is.
Every now and then we need a good Purpse review. Mostly though it boils down to this...
1. Respect. Respect your sisters. If you know there is one single sister (and since most of us actually have over a hundred thousand, chances are there is) who would not drink underage, wouldn't have sex, or wouldn't, say, get naked in a public place, you shouldn't ever do it with your letters on. Here we remind everyone that since it's a small campus could they please keep shady activity to themselves (letters or not, people know who is who), but at a large school there's probably less concern in that area. It's about understanding what would be considered appropriate based on founding principles and then trying to live up to those, at the very least when wearing letters.
2. Common sense. That's all, just common sense. Don't do incredibly stupid things...you hurt YOURSELF too.
I'll say this...you're more likely to have to leave if you stop showing up, consistently miss payments without a good excuse, refuse to bring up your grades and basically stop being a sister than if you get into "trouble" of some sort, unless you're like dealing crack out of the chapter room or something. Then it's a holla and goodnight. I think it's just smaller campus culture and unless you are doing something that's just really hurting your whole chapter you'll get a second chance...we're all small and it's hard to turn your back on someone without a damn good reason.
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05-08-2007, 01:26 PM
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Here's an example of what I think you were looking for, James.
I was an alumna advisor, and one of our collegians was in trouble for having sex with a fraternity member on the fraternity's pool table, and another incident in a phone booth. When pulled up before standards, she said that her sex life was none of our business. Usually true, I replied. But when everyone, including your advisors, knows of your sex life because it is being conducted in public, then it is our business. Everyone at this small school knew she was a Gamma Phi, and she was hurting the entire sisterhood by her blatant disregard for the sorority's reputation. She stormed upstairs, with me following close behind to get her badge.
The problem wasn't that she was having sex. The problem was she was doing it on the Sigma Nu's pool table. And in the phone booth. And God knows where else . . .
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