Iraqi Prisoner Abuse Hearings/ Military Revelations/Retaliation-American Beheaded

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by allsmiles_22
Don't let the post count fool ya. I'm quite the observer and would rather do that than bash black people, rant and rave about a love affair with Bush or catch the holier than thou ghost every time someone brings up something concering race, religion or politics.

Whew..glad you got that off your chest! Hope you feel better now!
And this dialogue is exactly why i love this country so much..because we can have it!! And I guess you can call it arguing...I just call it disagreeing.

>>OK back to being holier than though, bashing black people, and having a love affair with Bush!

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by moe.ron
No, that would be Arabic scholar. If you are a Christian and speak Arabic, you would also you Allah in describing God.

What exactly is your point? yes they said it and they are lunatic. ARe you implying somethng about Islam?

Really? Ok, I'm not an Arabic scholar either .. If you want to see my point..re-read my posts and don't get bogged down over a mis-spelling...then ya just might get it.

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
Is today not "day one" on this coverage though ? How can you compare one day (and one channel at that)?

Let's look at this again this time next week(at least) and see.

Shoot, the Marcus Dixon case is JUST now getting some press although it has been going on for months.

Yes this was my point Hk74...The press reports what they want to..in order to push their agenda... glad you're paying attention to my posts and not just dissecting them to try to disagree! LOL...gotta love GC!

[moe.ron]

BOTTOM LINE these crazed lunatics are chanting God is great while beheading a man!! Whether they were saying Ali Babbu or Ali wanna cracker..this is my point!

What is the bottom line in your statement? I really want to know. What I've read is that the lunatic were saying something as they behead the man. And as you point out, it does not matter what they say. Is there more to this statement? If you implied that they are murderer and should be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law, I agree with you. If not, please tell me what you mean.

[delph998]

I just saw the screen shots and it was sickening. That's all I have to say about that.

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by moe.ron
What is the bottom line in your statement? I really want to know. What I've read is that the lunatic were saying something as they behead the man. And as you point out, it does not matter what they say. Is there more to this statement? If you implied that they are murderer and should be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law, I agree with you. If not, please tell me what you mean.

Moe.ron she said her point one page ago.....

I think its interesting how the media will show what our soldiers did to the Iraqi's..but won't show the brutality of these radical muslims who chant Ali Akbar (God is Great) throughout the whole beheading.

but I think it got lost in the back of forth of the Arabic/Muslim scholar comments.

Question for everyone though.....
How should we (the US) respond to:
(a) the prison-abuse allegations
(b) Mr. Berg's beheading

and to address N4L's initial comments, I don't think our government has even said "I'm sorry", "we were wrong then", or even "my bad" when it comes to the disgusting, evil misuse of our people (both black and native american). Given that and the fact that this country was built literally on our blood, sweat, and tears, you are asking "some folks" to re-arrange the foundation of their way of life - and that ain't happening.

[moe.ron]

(a) the prison-abuse allegations

The perpetrators should be prosecuted as war criminals. If found guilty, they should go to jail. They should be chareged for violating the Geneva Convention and the Code of Military Justice (or something like that).

(b) Mr. Berg's beheading

They should be brought before the Iraqi court, once it is established. He might be American, but he was killed in Iraqi soiled. since he was neither a military personal nor a "civilian contractors", international law mandate that the sovereignty of this case squarely belong to the Iraqi court.

[AKA_Monet]

What is the price for Regular Unleaded through Supreme Unleaded in the State Of California now???

I guess that answers some questions as to why some of this lunacy is happening.

Believe me, this craziness can end literally overnight with a daisy-cutter or a nice small nuke...

I say use it surgically...

Where's Rudey when you need him!!!

[James]

I think what you are saying is valid, but it applies to humans in general. Humans, given the outlet and excuse are readily violent and stupid. We rarely need a reason for it and the veneer of civilization that we so cherish is very thin. Let someone go hungry for a few days and see how civilized they stay.

Ona tangential note: I remember talking to a friend that went to prison for a few years. I was saying, look, there is a certain morality in prisons when they kill child rapists etc.

And he answered not at all, its just a valid excuse to kill someone with no consequences.

Originally posted by NUPE4LIFE
I am sitting here watching the Senate question Donald Rumsfeld and other top military leaders about the Iraqi prisoner abuse and I want to throw up. Here are all of these Senators (white) talk about how the conduct of those few American soldiers is un-American and goes against the values of America. However, I can't help but think back on how this "great" country of ours came to be. Through the slaughtering of millions of Native people to the horrors of over 400 years of enslavement of Africans, our "great" country was built. Violence has been at the cornerstone of our democracy. It's not ironic that young men and women would perpetrate the same kind of violence and inhumane treatment that America is synonymous for. It's kills me that they care more about how they treat citizens of foreign nation than they do about the treatment of citizens right inside our own country. Let's we forget that while Blacks make up less that 20% of the U.S population, almost 50% of Blacks are incarcerated or under some form of community control. And what really ticks me off, is how they are now considering paying reparations or as Sec. Rumsfeld put it "compensation" to those prisoners abused. African slaves build this country on their backs, but we have yet to see a dime! Several senators said that this scandal has hurt America's "credibility". Hell, America has never been that credible to me! I want to close by saying that inhumane acts built this nation and continue to be perpetrated today. When are we gonna have a Senate hearing about that?

[evaclear04]

There were more than just pictures of nudity taken of these POW's... some of the women were brutally raped. The pictures ofcourse too graphic to show on any news station or apparantly to mention. Their faces uncovered and pictures taken of them being raped or other forced sexual acts by OUR soldiers. In a culture that a woman's body is seen as something to be kept reserved and only that for her husband to see...to be raped out side like some type of animal and your picture taken at the same time that is going on is probably equal or worst than death.
You have be honest enough to look at from both sides.