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Old 04-27-2004, 12:23 AM
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Thumbs up AlethiaSI and XOMichelle

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In 1992, I was at the "March for Women's Lives" in Washington. I woulda KILLED to be there yesterday!


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thats so awesome- i really wish i could have been there- when i go home- im going to try to get down to some of the protests in d.c. and nyc...

but in any case- i completely support them- taking away a woman's right to her own body is disgusting and no where near a "noble cause" it is controlling and dangerous... i love how men in government try to tell women how to live their lives- but then they try to take away welfare- etc- i would love to see them living on the streets and taking care of children they were forced to have... screw them

the last time i checked my biology book- a fetus was not a human being... it was an embryo.. end of story... within a certain amount of time... abortions should be completely supported and legal- and every pro-life fanatic can keep out of it b/c its not their body...

ok..i'm done ranting.. sorry... but this argument really pisses me off...
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Old 04-27-2004, 12:47 AM
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I saw flannel, large keychains, and short haircuts.

-Rudey
Since I was there with my girlfriend who DEFINITELY not a lesbian, I would have to say that the crowd was definitely not all lesbians.
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Old 04-27-2004, 03:59 AM
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Since I was there with my girlfriend who DEFINITELY not a lesbian, I would have to say that the crowd was definitely not all lesbians.

Yeah see I'm calling BS on this.

I'm gay and can smell another gay 100 miles away and you baby boy are g-a-y!!!

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Old 04-27-2004, 10:10 AM
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--Some people really take a joke and kill it
Maybe some don't share your sense of humor?
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Old 04-27-2004, 11:21 AM
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...And finally, I do agree that these marches are heavily attended by those who prefer not to be with men anyway. If abortion was not an issue, they'd find another way to express their aversion to members of the opposite sex.
They are born with those feelings, but at times they seem to go out of their way - as if proving their sexual preference - to disparage men.
I LIKE MEN!
Not all lebians are anti-men. Yes there are some who will despise men, but what people do is run with a stereotype.
That's what you have done.
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Old 04-27-2004, 11:23 AM
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Maybe some don't share your sense of humor?
Some can't add, some can't read, some can't laugh...we all have our faults but I'm willing to overlook them Deltie pie!

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Old 04-27-2004, 11:39 AM
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And finally, I do agree that these marches are heavily attended by those who prefer not to be with men anyway. If abortion was not an issue, they'd find another way to express their aversion to members of the opposite sex.
They are born with those feelings, but at times they seem to go out of their way - as if proving their sexual preference - to disparage men.
I LIKE MEN!
I dont know why and am especially disheartened to see women on here, insisting that marches advocating women's rights are heavily attended by lesbians. I live in DC and was on vacation during the march, but I would have LOVED to attend, and I know quite a few straight women who were there. As has been mentioned, it was an incredibly diverse crowd of over 500,000 men and women attending the march, an incredible turnout and an amazing show of public distress for what is happening in recent years regarding women's rights and freedom of choice. I dont see the humor at all in acting like women have to be interested only in women or hate men to want to express their opinions on women's rights. I like men too, but you know what? Women's rights are an important issue to me, and should be to EVERY woman. I wish I could have been there, it sounds absolutely amazing.

Maybe I am not seeing the humor because to me, it's not a funny issue. As has been mentioned, the goverment is trying to take away the right to decide what you can and can't do with your body. I personally am not a fan of abortion and would not choose one for myself, but I would never EVER believe that I have the right to tell another woman that she can't make that decision for herself, and I am personally disgusted with every person who thinks that they can.

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Old 04-27-2004, 11:47 AM
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I dont know why and am especially disheartened to see women on here, insisting that marches advocating women's rights are heavily attended by lesbians. I live in DC and was on vacation during the march, but I would have LOVED to attend, and I know quite a few straight women who were there. As has been mentioned, it was an incredibly diverse crowd of over 500,000 men and women attending the march, an incredible turnout and an amazing show of public distress for what is happening in recent years regarding women's rights and freedom of choice. I dont see the humor at all in acting like women have to be interested only in women or hate men to want to express their opinions on women's rights. I like men too, but you know what? Women's rights are an important issue to me, and should be to EVERY woman. I wish I could have been there, it sounds absolutely amazing.

Maybe I am not seeing the humor because to me, it's not a funny issue. As has been mentioned, the goverment is trying to take away the right to decide what you can and can't do with your body. I personally am not a fan of abortion and would not choose one for myself, but I would never EVER believe that I have the right to tell another woman that she can't make that decision for herself, and I am personally disgusted with every person who thinks that they can.
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Old 04-27-2004, 12:30 PM
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hardy har rudey
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Old 04-27-2004, 12:43 PM
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hardy har rudey
It's hardy har har. You left out one har. Get it? Besides I have no idea what you seem to be implying because I just wanted to know if you were a lumberjack or liked flannel.

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Old 04-27-2004, 12:59 PM
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It's hardy har har. You left out one har. Get it? Besides I have no idea what you seem to be implying because I just wanted to know if you were a lumberjack or liked flannel.

-Rudey
I apologize. Here, lets start over:

Hardy har har

(and I said it in my VERY best lumberjack voice, okay?)
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Old 04-27-2004, 02:06 PM
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. I personally am not a fan of abortion and would not choose one for myself, but I would never EVER believe that I have the right to tell another woman that she can't make that decision for herself, and I am personally disgusted with every person who thinks that they can. [/B]
i couldn't have said it better myself...
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Old 04-27-2004, 03:44 PM
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I am surprised the march got so little exposure in the media. The one place I found mention of it, ironically, was Fox News, and they said there were 1.15 million marchers and that it is the largest march in history. I think that's great.

On the topic of abortion, I just read this wonderful article which is eminently reasonable and should be, IMHO, read by people on both sides of the issue. It also gives an interesting history of abortion. For instance, did you know that the Catholic Church wasn't against abortion until almost 1900? That until 1900 in America, ads were all over the place, including in church fliers, for solvents that would cause abortion?!? That the group that lobbied to make abortion illegal in the first place, except by medical professionals (The AMA) also were fighting to repeal it just before Roe v Wade? Check it out:

http://www.2think.org/abortion.shtml
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Old 04-27-2004, 04:01 PM
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I am surprised the march got so little exposure in the media. The one place I found mention of it, ironically, was Fox News, and they said there were 1.15 million marchers and that it is the largest march in history. I think that's great.[/url]
Sort of blows out the "liberal media bias" conspiracy theory, eh?
I personally don't see how it matters whether or not some of the marchers were lesbians. If you watched it on C-SPAN then you would have seen an impressive number of men as well. Issues like this affect us all in some way. We all have friends, sisters, mothers, daughters and (guys have) wives/girlfriends that have to make decisions regarding their reproductive health. I would take issue w/ the opinion that most women have abortions for "selfish" reasons. Since when is choosing your own health and welfare selfish? I for one think it would be selfish to have a child just to "prove a point" only to discover that one isn't financially or emotionally ready for children.
Also, the fact that obtaining contraception is getting harder and harder bothers me. If more women (and some men) had access to it, there would be a reduced need for abortion in the first place. Like I've said many times before (not necessarily on here, but other places) I would not have an abortion unless it were 100% sure that carrying/delivering the baby would be fatal. But until I'm willing to raise all the unwanted children of the world, I feel as if I have no right to legislate the actions of others. We all need to take a walk in others' shoes from time to time.
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Old 04-27-2004, 08:06 PM
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so, since we shouldn't be regulating what ppl can or cannot do with "their" bodies, i guess we should legalize drugs in this country....after all, using cocaine is a person's choice, and should not have that "right" taken away.

this subject is a bad one with me as two of my friends and a very close relative have had these done.......it doesn't just affect the woman who has it done.....it kills the child (or would-be child, however you wanna look at it), it damages the person (whether they think it was for the best or not, my relative still has nightmares about a baby without a face), it damages the family (come talk to my family and you may get a different view on it all), it affects everyone in the woman's life. not that i judge these women b/c i don't....i love them as much as i ever have......but it is hard. calling it a "fetus" is one way to make the person who did it feel less guilty. i agree with whoever posted earlier about taking responsibility.....you don't have to raise the child, just give it a REAL right, the one actual "right" that has yet to be mentioned....the right to life. i've said it before, and i'll say it again: ADOPTION.

yes, it was a hard time for women back in 1960 whatever who were unmarried and pregnant, but this is 2004....there is a LOT less stigma attached to un-wed mothers. these ppl had abortions not b/c they didn't necessarily want the baby, but b/c they were afraid of what society would say (not all, of course, but a lot). people need to have the courage to deal with the situations they have gotten themselves into, and need to take responsibilty.....but as was said earlier, i guess that is too much to ask....

i don't understand how probably a lot of you were DARE role models in high school or whatever, but also scream about a woman's right to choose what to do with HER body.
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