Who is the real cause of all the problems? - Page 3

PhiPsiRuss · #31 03-22-2004, 05:46 PM

As I see it, our only responsibility is to uphold the values on which we swore. If we do that, most of our public perception problems will go away.

We will never be able to eliminate all of the negative feelings towards us, because there will always be jealous people, who resent groups of people, who are inconsistent with their world view.

deuika · #32 03-22-2004, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by moe.ron
I'm sorry that I have shame my fraternity by being a low-budget member.

Glad You Admitted Your Faults

As for what I mean by "low-budget current members" take a look around GreekDom. Yes, there are wonderful men and women who are Greek but yes there are HORRIBLE men and women who are Greek. People getting killed everytime you turn around, a lawsuit here, a lawsuit there. A rape in this Frat house, another one down the road. Dislike the truth all you want, but that doesn't change it.

I know people who became Greek in the 70's, my uncle is a member of a NPHC organization his wife is an alumnus of a NPC organization, we talk all the time about how things have changed over the years. They tell me that the problem with these "kids" nowadays is that they've forgotten what Greekdom is about. Kinda like the problems in all parts of our society, people have strayed away from their roots, and that's understandable, times change. But some people really do disgrace their letters. Again, this is not what everyGLO members is about, but the question was who is the root of the problem, the Greeks are the roots of their own darn problems. Contrary to popular belief, society didn't have as much disdain for organizations as they do now in the earlier part of the 20th century. Most orgs were founded between what 1880-1930? A time full of problems. The Greeks were there to assist in resolutions not add to the problems. Provide a network for people to come together, not be a hot load of fools wearing the same colors. People use to have respect for their organizations, for themselves.

Again, these aren't blanket statements, there are some orgs who though some members have strayed, still represent what Greek life is about, and I respect that. What I DONT respect is denying the truth, denying that members of their organizations are falling into a black hole of indecency.

deuika · #33 03-22-2004, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
because there will always be jealous people, who resent groups of people, who are inconsistent with their world view.

You REALLY believe that all the people who tell the truth about Greeks are jealous? You GOTTA be kidding me....

PhiPsiRuss · #34 03-22-2004, 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by deuika
You REALLY believe that all the people who tell the truth about Greeks are jealous? You GOTTA be kidding me....

Please read my entire post, and don't quote me out of context.

33girl · #35 03-22-2004, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
We will never be able to eliminate all of the negative feelings towards us, because there will always be jealous people, who resent groups of people, who are inconsistent with their world view.

Very true. There are people who can witness every single one of our members doing community service and getting 4.0 every semester and holding every campus office, but they'll still say Greeks are the devil because they have issues with any group that has selective membership. Until we eliminate that aspect of fraternities and sororities, there's always going to be people that hate us just on principle - even if Greeks at their school are relatively open and accepting. They're the sort who see one member doing a shot at a bar and turn it into an alcohol induced orgy involving 6 fraternities, all in their head. We need to stop pandering to these kind of idiots and trying to win them over - we need to have more respect for ourselves than to bang our heads against a brick wall.

deuika · #36 03-22-2004, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
We will never be able to eliminate all of the negative feelings towards us, because there will always be jealous people, who resent groups of people, who are inconsistent with their world view.

Maybe I misread it. But again, you still gotta be kidding me.

DeltaSigStan · #37 03-22-2004, 05:57 PM

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Originally posted by adpiucf
we have chosen to be associated with Greek Life, and we're going to be stamped with the elitist, aryan, partying, sex-crazed stereotype.

I've always wanted to be white.....thanks

PhiPsiRuss · #38 03-22-2004, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by deuika
Maybe I misread it. But again, you still gotta be kidding me.

What about my first paragraph in that post?

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As I see it, our only responsibility is to uphold the values on which we swore. If we do that, most of our public perception problems will go away.

That addresses the bad behaviour. If greeks simply behaved as who we claim we are, then there would be almost no criticism of us. Except from jealous people.

deuika · #39 03-22-2004, 06:09 PM

Ok

Tom Earp · #40 03-22-2004, 06:15 PM

Greeks Suck!

Why would one ask?

Yes to all of the questuion and answers to all of the above!

Peoples perception of Greeks are Born of what they see today, not in History.

History:

1. How many Greek Male Chapters were closed during WW I, WW II because Brothers of Those Chapters went to fight?

2. How many Men could afford to join Geek Elites because of Money?

3. What has been the GPC of Greeks compared to Regular College Students?

4. How much do Greeks partipate in Charitable Organizations?

5. What is the perceptiable Ideas of peope today when a member of af a Greek Organization dies today? What was it back 20-30-40-50-60 yearts ago?

Do you think that TX, Sn, and others were started as rich students? No, these were started at Military Academys!
Fighting oppersion as a member of the Corp of Cadets.

LXA, was not started by rich men who were all or most all of your age.

Were The Soroities Founded at at Colleges as We know them today! ?

Have things changed, yes. Has Time Changed, yes. Are the same Principles and Values eixist today! ? You make that judgement!

Does some Chapter of any Fraternity/Soroity who do stupid things reflect upon all of us! Well, Hell Yes They Do! Now, the Media can print it all over the world!

kddani · #41 03-22-2004, 06:19 PM

<---- still wondering what a low budget member is

madmax · #42 03-22-2004, 06:19 PM

lawyers

PhiPsiRuss · #43 03-22-2004, 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by kddani
<---- still wondering what a low budget member is

About $1.98

kddani · #44 03-22-2004, 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
About $1.98

whew. I was $1.99, i just missed the cut off. No low budget member me!

deuika · #45 03-22-2004, 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by kddani
<---- still wondering what a low budget member is

Did you not read what I stated in response to that inquiry a few posts ago?

Low budget DOESN'T necessarily mean money, perhaps I should stop using regional slang. But ih, if you're worth 2bucks yep you're low budget in every sense of the word.