FSU Panhellenic Extension Information

[xo_kathy]

Originally posted by FSUSigEpAlum
As far as them coming back to FSU, if you don’t think a rumor like that would be held against them you’re fooling yourself.

and

As for my role in perpetuating it, I’m sorry but I’ve really never saw it as detrimental to anyone

Again, you say it will hurt their chances of expansion, but then say you didin't see it as detrimental to anyone. Which is it?

You're right, when we see a person/group hurting another group it's not well-received. It does nothing but hurt the system as a whole. Unfortunately, you are taking the brunt of our anger at all greeks who spread rumors about fellow greeks, but that still doesn't make your post "ok". Sorry.

[maggieaxid]

Hey- I wonder how SigEpFSUAlum would feel about Elon's rumor story about how they got kicked off our campus...........
all chapter's and orgs have bones in their closets. I don't think this is a place to air them out.

[aopirose]

I really don’t know where to begin. Your fraternal spirit is “under”whelming and it is glaring. I think that it is extremely sad and in poor taste to perpetuate such nonsense. By your own admission, this false rumor could hurt AOII’s chances in reestablishing Alpha Pi. We should be doing all we can to strengthen the system and not tear it down. Does it really make your chapter feel THAT important to run someone’s name and reputation into the ground? It shouldn’t matter if they are on your campus or not. If it does, it is more telling of your nature then anything else.

Originally posted by FSUSigEpAlum
WOW, didn’t realize how old this thread was before I started commenting…..

But about the AOPi witchcraft rumor…

While I have no idea if the rumor has even the slightest bit of credibility, I‘m pretty sure my chapter is responsible for it still being circulated 20+ years later. Sig Ep bought the AOPi house in 1980, and the witchcraft rumor has become part of the chapter’s folklore, passed from semester to semester, pledge class to pledge class. Stories like that tend to get a mind of their own over time, so I can only assume there is little basis in fact, but even the most outlandish tales are often wrapped around a kernel of truth. Whether or not they were kicked off campus for witchcraft I’m very interested in where that rumor originated. If anyone knows anything else about the FSU AOPi chapter I’d love to hear it.

As far as them coming back to FSU, if you don’t think a rumor like that would be held against them you’re fooling yourself. How long would it take before that chapter got pegged as “witches,” regardless of the validity of the claims?

[FSUSigEpAlum]

I had no idea they were petitioning to come back on tonight. I wish them the best of luck but FSU Panhellenic is notorious for blocking expansion. The BIGGER problems I was referring to wasn’t the witch thing but was Panhellenic’s rule that all chapters had to be at quota before they would expand. Maybe that’s changed since I left, but it’s always been their view to protect the chapters that we have before looking for new ones.

I doubt Panhellenic leaders, or the chapter representatives, are going to be swayed by a silly 20 year old rumor - I doubt they’d find it as detrimental as some of you seem to think. What’s going to effect them is the fact we have at least one chapter that’s been holding down the whole system with low numbers. The debate when I was there was whether to protect these chapters by not expanding or expand at the detriment of those chapters. I’m sure it’s the debate that persists to this day.

But I do think that problems will come if they do manage to get on. I think this rumor will have an effect on their initial recruitment. Recruitment is so caddy already, any rumor (I.e. a certain chapter and Ted Bundy) comes up over the course of the week. I’m sure they’ll get past it, but initially I think it would be something they would have to address. Just like a certain fraternity recently had to address a brutal rape charge, another one mght have to defend drug charges, how my own chapter has defended itself against rape charges more then once in the last 15 years. Fraternities get over this easily, 2 rushes a year, sororities are a diffrent story. I guess you'll have to see.

But to put the full brunt of the blame on Sig Ep is just ridiculous. I doubt we started the rumor, and I doubt we’re the only ones who have spread it. Every campus has legends, and stories, and tales that might have been based in truth at some point but have just lost validity over time. At FSU alone there’s the grave of a “witch” in a cemetery near the school, a ghost in Chawthorn Hall, another ghost in the William Johnson building. They’re stories, wife tales, myths, legends. Nothing more nothing less. So let’s not blow this out of proportion. This isn’t Sig Ep’s fault, this isn’t my fault, this is just one of those things that has happened, and till now there has never been a reason to proactively address it. If they get on campus tonight then I guess there will be a reason.

This is NOT a case of ONE chapter attacking another chapter. And as far as bringing it up, I prefaced my remarks by saying that I don’t think it’s true, but at the same time I’m curious as to why there was a rumor in the first place. If this is digging up skeleton’s then I’m guilty, but without information about how this started I don’t have the information to make it stop. In fact writing the current chapter president and telling him to stop would most likely only serve to strengthen the rumor.

I find it hard to believe that there is a campus where GLO’s aren’t stigmatized by old reputations. I know our past has been far from spotless, but I’m also not afraid to admit what our mistakes were and how they’ve made us a better chapter. Nicknames pinned on us back in the 90’s still get chanted by rivals during football games. You laugh, take it with a grain of salt and move on, not petition the chapter for a letter writing campaign to abolish this “smear campaign”.

Let me reiterate the fact that this rumor wasn’t started by Sig Ep, wasn’t originated by Sig Ep, wasn’t started by Sig Ep, and yes all three of those mean the same thing.

Originally posted by aopirose
Does it really make your chapter feel THAT important to run someone’s name and reputation into the ground? .

90% of my chapter probably doesn't even remember the name of the sorority that lived in our house. "THAT important?" I mean do you seriously think this is a target smear campaign to keep you off FSU?

[bruinaphi]

AOII is not petitioning to come back on. The University Panhellenic has opened for expansion. That means that the vote has already taken place and the groups on campus agreed to open Panhellenic to another sorority.

[aopinthesky]

Originally posted by FSUSigEpAlum
I had no idea they were petitioning to come back on tonight. I wish them the best of luck but FSU Panhellenic is notorious for blocking expansion.

The fact of whether or not AOII will be at FSU has not been decided, but FYI - and I believe that it was in the very thread you posted to - FSU Panhellenic invited the sororities who are making presentations to do so. That is how it works in Panhellenic, so it would seem that FSU's Panhellenic has made a determination to expand.

[Tippiechick]

Originally posted by FSUSigEpAlum

I doubt Panhellenic leaders, or the chapter representatives, are going to be swayed by a silly 20 year old rumor - I doubt they’d find it as detrimental as some of you seem to think.

But I do think that problems will come if they do manage to get on. I think this rumor will have an effect on their initial recruitment.

But to put the full brunt of the blame on Sig Ep is just ridiculous. I doubt we started the rumor, and I doubt we’re the only ones who have spread it. This isn’t Sig Ep’s fault, this isn’t my fault, this is just one of those things that has happened, and till now there has never been a reason to proactively address it. If they get on campus tonight then I guess there will be a reason.

Let me reiterate the fact that this rumor wasn’t started by Sig Ep, wasn’t originated by Sig Ep, wasn’t started by Sig Ep, and yes all three of those mean the same thing.

90% of my chapter probably doesn't even remember the name of the sorority that lived in our house. "THAT important?"

AND

While I have no idea if the rumor has even the slightest bit of credibility, I‘m pretty sure my chapter is responsible for it still being circulated 20+ years later. Sig Ep bought the AOPi house in 1980, and the witchcraft rumor has become part of the chapter’s folklore, passed from semester to semester, pledge class to pledge class. Stories like that tend to get a mind of their own over time, so I can only assume there is little basis in fact, but even the most outlandish tales are often wrapped around a kernel of truth. Whether or not they were kicked off campus for witchcraft I’m very interested in where that rumor originated. If anyone knows anything else about the FSU AOPi chapter I’d love to hear it.

As far as them coming back to FSU, if you don’t think a rumor like that would be held against them you’re fooling yourself. How long would it take before that chapter got pegged as “witches,” regardless of the validity of the claims?

AND

As for my role in perpetuating it, I’m sorry but I’ve really never saw it as detrimental to anyone considering we don’t have an AOPi chapter and haven’t for 20+ years.

OK, dude you have a serious medical problem; you seem to have the problem of talking out both sides of your mouth!!!

They will have problems... They won't have problems... They may have problems.
We systematically spread the rumor semester-to-semester, pledge class to pledge class. We didn't do anything wrong by spreading the rumor. We didn't spread the rumor...
We are responsible for starting the rumor... We aren't responsible for starting the rumor...
We bought and lived in the AOII house. And, we spread the rumor... But, I'm SURE the pledges didn't know which sorority we were speaking of...

Make up your mind... Or better yet, just leave this topic be.

[FSUSigEpAlum]

I agree, I'm leaving the topic be. This has taken up far to much of my day for something that I really could care less about.

It's just far to easy to spin and be spun.

But if anyone has any real information on how the rumor started I'd still like to hear.

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Oh, Lord..........the word pathetic comes to mind.

I can only speak for myself but those items that take "up far to much of my day" are usually work or things I care a lot about. Wish I had as much free time as you seem to have to spend on things I don't care about.

And I have to agree with the rest of my Panhellenic sisters on this one.

[FSUZeta]

at fsu, aopi tried to recolonize. they had a handful of members on campus(1978) and still had their lovely home. my rush group was combined with another one, so that the combined group was quite large . at the aopi house, the members had to take between 7 and 10 rushees each and that makes it quite ackward for both the sorority members and the rushees. the a o pi's were such nice girls, but they were overwhelmed. i always wondered if they would have been more successful if another a o pi chapter had been able to come and help them with rush. they closed later that year. also, remember at that time period greek life was still recovering from the anti-establishment feelings of the hippie era, membership numbers were down and fsu lost several sororities and fraternities at that time.

i never heard the witchcraft rumor so that undoubtably came about after 1979 AND after the chapter had closed(unless there was another attempt to re-colonize after 1979).

housing will be a hurdle for the new group to overcome,as the sororities are located in the older part of campus and theuniversity is trying to buy up any real estate in that area. that being said, some of the fraternities currently residing in sorority houses will be moving to greekpark so maybe those sorority houses will be available. the fraternity houses located down the street from my house needed to be demolished during my time at florida state and would certainly not be a good home to a sorority. there is the new greekpark(i can't remember the name of the road either!) but as far as i have heard, only fraternities are building there. a lone sorority going in there would have a difficult time. sorry boys, but fraternities don't make the quitest of neighbors!

i think it is exciting that a new group may be coming on campus. i wish them all the best and hope that some tallahassee lassie will keep us posted. lisa

[aopirose]

Originally posted by FSUSigEpAlum
90% of my chapter probably doesn't even remember the name of the sorority that lived in our house. "THAT important?" I mean do you seriously think this is a target smear campaign to keep you off FSU?

No, I don’t think that these rumors are intended to keep AOII off campus. I am referring to a larger general problem of bashing another group to make your own look good.

Snaps to Tippiechick for the best post of the day.

Originally posted by Tippiechick

OK, dude you have a serious medical problem; you seem to have the problem of talking out both sides of your mouth!!!

They will have problems... They won't have problems... They may have problems.
We systematically spread the rumor semester-to-semester, pledge class to pledge class. We didn't do anything wrong by spreading the rumor. We didn't spread the rumor...
We are responsible for starting the rumor... We aren't responsible for starting the rumor...
We bought and lived in the AOII house. And, we spread the rumor... But, I'm SURE the pledges didn't know which sorority we were speaking of...

Make up your mind... Or better yet, just leave this topic be.

[Angels&Arrows]

Originally posted by FSUSigEpAlum
I agree, I'm leaving the topic be. This has taken up far to much of my day for something that I really could care less about.

It's just far to easy to spin and be spun.

But if anyone has any real information on how the rumor started I'd still like to hear.

Let me start by saying I think it is BS everyone has slammed this new GC member. He was not the first person to mention the witchcraft and appeared to me to only follow-up with his experience while he was at FSU...

FSUSigEpAlum... Welcome to GC... see the way it works around here... if your first post is not something we think you should state then you get slammed! You must know that your first post should be "Hi, I am John Doe, from City, I was an XYZ at University between 19xx-19xx. I am not saying I agree with anything you said.. I personally do not think there is anything to agree with or disagree with... You seem to me to merely be stating an opinion or insight from your expereince at FSU. And I do not believe you were the first person to bring up the witchcraft incident. So GC, before we scare off another new member to the board, lets try to understand what he is saying... means... etc.

And yes, you probably did take up too much of your time with this subject.. however, GC will reel you in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tippiechick]

It's hard to understand what someone says and or means when they keep changing their story...

[decadence]

Posted by Angels&Arrows: Welcome to GC... see the way it works around here... if your first post is not something we think you should state then you get slammed!

So true. I know it and you know it.

[nhpgator]

As an AOII and the granddaughter of an AOII at FSU - actually it was Florida State College for Women when she was there - the best thing we can do with this conversation is return it to the main thread - and that was FSU Panhellenic Extension INFORMATION - not rumors, dis-information or rehashing rumors, rude remarks etc.... so let's let by-gones be by-gones and consider this a fresh start -

I for one think it is amazingly exciting that FSU is opening up for expansion, I have friends in three sororites there now - and my brother is in a fraternity there now..... and I have heard nothing but wonderful things about that greek system - which is hard for me to admit since I went to UF! I of course hope that AOII gets the offer - but I wish the best for whoever goes there. I am sure that each organization presenting understands the time, energy, and resources - both human and financial - that will be necessary to make their newest chapter a success - and as a member of my organization's colony development team I can say there is much of all of the above needed. Let's wish them all luck and pass on as much INFORMATION possible that will help not only the chapter chosen and the FSU greek system but the Greek world in general.

ok that is my two cents (remember you get what you paid for) and i'll step off my soap box.....

as a good friend of mine always says, Onward and Upward and leave the rest behind!!!!

Tasha