morning after pill - Page 3

Love_Spell_6 · #31 12-17-2003, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mu_agd
and if a condom breaks, are they still loose?

I know some of you are either young or have not seen the world beyond college life... so I will explain to those that seem to not understand what a loose woman is.

Loose Woman - A whore who screws around with any and everyone they please, in the day and age of AIDS, without using a condomn, and worries about the consequences i.e. STD's pregnancy later.

So class...what have we learned?

Question: Are you being judgmental if you call someone loose??

Answer: No. Their actions are loose...you're just labeling what you see.

Question: Is this a generalization to say all that use the Morning After Pill are loose women?

Answer: Of course not. That would be reading into what you're saying. The premise is that "SOME" women who are LOOSE will be even happier that they don't have to wait to see if they are pregnant to get an abortion.

Question: Well what if someone says that we're being judgmental or ignorant for saying this?

Answer: Ignore them. They're either A) being argumentative B) only hearing what they want to hear or C) are offended because they themselves are loose!

And remember class...stand for what u believe in...no matter how many people disagree with you...if its in your heart!

CLASS DISMISSED!!!

lovelyivy84 · #32 12-17-2003, 01:53 PM

Wow I see the issue in a WHOLE new light because of your INFORMATIVE posts.

Condescending and judgmental at the same time. That's what I learned.

Thanks for the "lesson".

Love_Spell_6 · #33 12-17-2003, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lovelyivy84
Wow I see the issue in a WHOLE new light because of your INFORMATIVE posts.

Condescending and judgmental at the same time. That's what I learned.

Thanks for the "lesson".

You are indeed welcome!

ZTAngel · #34 12-17-2003, 02:02 PM

I am 100% pro-choice. In this case, I really think that this pill should be used under the care of a physician. The birth control pill doesn't have nearly as many side effects or health risks and it can only be bought by prescription. A perfect example is in the case with Holly. She had a massive infection. Granted, she was under the care of a doctor. I just think that if this pill were to become OTC that women would use it as a form of contraception (so wrong...) and there might be more cases like Holly's due to misuse.

ETA:

Yes, I know that Holly took the U-486 which is completely different than the morning after pill. My point is that both these pills can have adverse side effects that should be monitored by your doctor. When you take birth control pills, morning after pills, and the U-486, you are messing with your reproductive health. You could have some condition that you're unaware of that could be affected negatively if you take these pills which have an overload of hormones. Because you weren't ready for a child now, by taking these medications you could be ruining your chances of ever being able to have one in the future. I just know that with myself my reproductive health is something I would NEVER want to mess around with. I would want my gynecologist to monitor these drugs to make sure that my reproductive system stays healthy so that one day I can have kids.

Love_Spell_6 · #35 12-17-2003, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZTAngel
I am 100% pro-choice. In this case, I really think that this pill should be used under the care of a physician. The birth control pill doesn't have nearly as many side effects or health risks and it can only be bought by prescription. A perfect example is in the case with Holly. She had a massive infection. Granted, she was under the care of a doctor. I just think that if this pill were to become OTC that women would use it as a form of contraception (so wrong...) and there might be more cases like Holly's due to misuse.

Great point ZTAngel....

Sadly the truth about the health risks may not be seen until a long time from now....

mullet81 · #36 12-17-2003, 02:09 PM

lets not forget that as others in this thread have pointed out -

Holly took RU-486 - not the morning after pill. Each does something completely different. They are not trying to make the pill Holly took over the counter - but the morning after pill.

kddani · #37 12-17-2003, 02:11 PM

Those of you making arguments about it increasing promiscuity- how many of you are on birth control ? The Pill, the Patch, etc.? Or even using condoms?

When those were first introduced, and even well after, there was a very strong movement against them because it believed they'd increase promiscuity.

I sure hope that those of you making that argument are saving yourselves until marriage, because if not, it's kinda hypocrytical.

(Disclaimer: not an attack on anyone, just a general point. I don't even know who said what, i just skimmed the thread and saw this argument mentioned many times. It's not personal, it's something to think about)

dzrose93 · #38 12-17-2003, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kddani
Those of you making arguments about it increasing promiscuity- how many of you are on birth control ? The Pill, the Patch, etc.? Or even using condoms?

When those were first introduced, and even well after, there was a very strong movement against them because it believed they'd increase promiscuity.

Good point. Personally, I think it would be interesting to know how many women today would still choose to have sex before marriage if there were no birth control options available. It would also be interesting to compare that number with the number of women who chose to have sex before marriage back in the days when there was no such thing as birth control.

rainbowbrightCS · #39 12-17-2003, 02:22 PM

I am iffy about this. I am Roman Catholic, so I "should" be pro-life.
But then I would have to say condoms, the pill, the morning after pill, depo pavera (which I am on for medical reasons) and abortation is all wrong and a sin. Period, no "if ands or buts"

But as I said I am on depo my self. I use it medically, so in the churches eyes, I am a killer. (even though I am not sexually active).

But I also see women who are raped, or who have medical issues that a baby will kill them. Or every other issue that is similar.

The morning after pill does so much harm to the uterus. But then again so does abortion. I have an older friend (30ish) that when she was my age she was careless and used abortion as a condom. Now she is older and stable she is trying to have a baby with her hubby. They could concieve, but every time she miscarried. They finally did some test and the doctor told her and him that she will never be able to carry to full term because of the many abortions she had. The abortions left "scares". That even if the baby would live to full term it may casue terrible harm to her, or major issue to the baby (if born)

I also understand that the morning after pill could do this also, if used heavily. (Correct me if I am wrong) That the morning after pill also cause the women to be very sick for a couple days. This is why I beleive it sould be available but not right next to the condoms on the shelf.

Chris

ZTAngel · #40 12-17-2003, 02:33 PM

I would also like to add a point about the effects of these hormonal contraceptions while on anti-depressants/anti-anxiety medications.

An acquaintance of mine was on Zoloft for her anxiety. She went on the birth control pill. About a week after being on the pill, she became really depressed and withdrawn. Her doctors thought maybe the Zoloft wasn't working as well as it had been so they put her on a higher dose. It wasn't until she attempted suicide the doctors realized her depression was caused by the birth control pills reacting negatively with the chemicals in the Zoloft. As we all know, an added dose of estrogen makes us more sensitive (hence PMS since it occurs when estrogen levels are the highest). The high levels of estrogen in her BC pills were not reacting well with the mood enhancing drugs she was taking. This doesn't happen all the time but it can be a factor. My roommate from two years ago was on Zoloft and BC pills at the same time and she was fine. It all depends on your biochemistry. I would assume though that the women who are taking this morning after pill are not on any type of birth control pills. Because of this, if they are taking any anti-depressants, they would not know how they'll react to a pill with a high dose of hormones. The morning after pill is basically the birth control pill but with A LOT more estrogen. Imagine if a woman who is on these anti-depressants had the same effect as the acquaintance of mine but, since the morning-after pill has more estrogen, it affected her 10 times more.

If these do become OTC, there needs to be a HUGE warning that goes out to women who are on anti-depressants. Not one of those tiny, fine-print things that you'll see on the bottle.

Lil' Hannah · #41 12-17-2003, 02:38 PM

I may be crazy here, but has anyone else heard of women taking several birth control pills the day after unprotected sex, etc. in order to produce the same results as the morning after pill? Maybe I'm thinking of something else. I don't know.

ZTAngel · #42 12-17-2003, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lil' Hannah
I may be crazy here, but has anyone else heard of women taking several birth control pills the day after unprotected sex, etc. in order to produce the same results as the morning after pill? Maybe I'm thinking of something else. I don't know.

Yes, I think I remember reading something about it in either Cosmo or Glamour.

Intense1920 · #43 12-17-2003, 02:44 PM

Plan B (Morning After Pill) website

Lady Pi Phi · #44 12-17-2003, 02:46 PM

I don't think things like condoms, BC pills, the morning after pill, RU-486, etc, etc are the the cause of promiscuity in some. People are going to have sex.
Some people will listen to the pro-abstinence sex education for various reason, ie. religion, health, etc. Some people will listen to what is being taught in other sex education classes. Ie. I will have sex but I will do everything in my power to protect my self and my partner. And some kids will be, "sex is fun..woohoo!!! I'm invinciable and nothing can stop me!!" These are the kids that will never listen...to anything!!! They are the ones that don't care and you can never change your mind.

I do have a question though. If they do eventually let you get the morning after pill over the counter, will you be able to buy the birth control pill over the counter too?

Lil' Hannah · #45 12-17-2003, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
I do have a question though. If they do eventually let you get the morning after pill over the counter, will you be able to buy the birth control pill over the counter too?

I doubt it. It looks like the MAP only comes in one level of hormone, while different pills contain different amounts of hormones. I would imagine that taking an incompatible level of hormone regularly and repeatedly, as one does with BC pills, would be very detrimental, while taking the MAP rarely (which is it's OTC intent) would not be as harmful.