Is Gay marriage necessary today or immoral?

[Love_Spell_6]

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Homosexuality and The Spread of AIDS


To link HIV or AIDS with homosexuality is to make homosexuals livid. This is very curious given the facts we consider in this section. For starters, in the early days of the AIDS epidemic, one of the names given to this disease was Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome (GRIDS). 1 We need not examine the nature of AIDS, but it suffices to say that AIDS equals death.

The Origin of HIV

HIV-infection has been documented in Zaire since 1959. 2 HIV originated from its equivalent in chimpanzees, SIVcpz (simian immunodeficiency virus). SIV transfer from chimpanzees and sooty mangabey monkeys to humans has been documented on at least 7 occasions, and laboratory experiments have revealed the ease with which various SIV strains can infect and replicate within some cells in human blood. 3 SIV strains in two monkey species that are butchered and eaten by chimpanzees, hybridized to form SIVcpz. 4 SIVcpz mutated into HIV, and its transfer to humans was most likely a result of the sub-Saharan African practice of butchering and eating chimpanzees, gorillas, and monkeys. 4-6 This most likely occurred in Central Africa since it has been shown that SIVcpz infections are absent in West African chimpanzees but present in Central African chimpanzees. 7

In the First-World, AIDS was first diagnosed among American white homosexual men in the early 1980s, but retrospective studies have documented HIV and AIDS among Haitian immigrants to the U.S. and Americans associated with them in the late 1970s. 8 HIV appears to have entered the U.S. around the late 1960s, 8 and was then primarily spread by homosexuals throughout the U.S. and Europe. In a survey on AIDS conducted in Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany (FDR), Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, and the U.K., in 1983, the most important contributors to the AIDS epidemic in Europe were male homosexuals (58% of all cases, and likely contracted from the U.S.A., Europe, and Haiti), followed by individuals from Central Africa (26%), and whites who had sex with natives from Central Africa (3%); drug abuse was not a risk factor. 9 Click here to learn about the bathhouse phenomenon.


References

1. Shilts R. And the band played on. New York: Saint Martin's Press, 1987.

2. D'Amelio R. Epidemiology of AIDS. Revue Int Des Services De Sante Des Forces Armees 1990;63(7-9):216-22.

3. Grimm TA, Beer BE, Hirsch VM, et al. Simian immunodeficiency viruses from multiple lineages infect human macrophages: implications for cross-species transmission. J Acquir Immune Defic Syndr 2003;32(4):362-9.

4. Bailes E, Gao F, Bibollet-Ruche F, et al. Hybrid origin of SIV in chimpanzees. Science 2003;300(5626):1713.

5. http://bushmeat.net/.

6. http://www.janegoodall.org/.

7. Prince AM, Brotman B, Lee DH, et al. Lack of evidence for HIV type 1-related SIVcpz infection in captive and wild chimpanzees (Pan troglodytes verus) in West Africa. AIDS Res Hum Retroviruses 2002;18(9):657-60.

8. Robbins KE, Lemey P, Pybus OG, et al. U.S. Human immunodeficiency virus type 1 epidemic: date of origin, population history, and characterization of early strains. J Virol 2003;77(11):6359-66.

9. Glauser MP, Francioli P. Clinical and epidemiological survey of acquired immune deficiency syndrome in Europe. Eur J Clin Microbiol 1984;3(1):55-8.

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[Wonderful1908]

Lovespell (and others) I appreciate your "documentation" as your non-biblical basis of not tolerating homosexuality. No matter how many refrences that are given (and I question the validity of much of your documentation) we will probably have to agree to disagree on this topic. IMO it is extreme to compare animals to humans in concern to a relationship. I do not consider myself a liberal but I can't invision a world were my beliefs have to become your beliefs, as I am sure you can't either, so to use Christianity as a rule of thumb for marriage just to me isn't fair to people who one are non-Christians or who choose to not believe in this aspect of the Bible. I am sure a world full of same sex marriage is probably repulsing to you, and I am not suggesting that it would make the world a better place, I do know that by removing choice the world will NOT be a better place. Since the majority of the country is "Christian" why must ALL of society abide by the principles of the Bible. Fact, the majority of the people in the WORLD are Muslim, shoud the United States conform to the principles of various sects of Islam because that is the majority religion of the world, surely the world as a whole must take precedent over the United States. So ladies should we be prepared to cover our faces, leave our jobs, not interact with men (extreme examples of sects of Islam) and conform to the majority religion? I don't think for someone who seems to be as dedicated to Christianity as those on this board that would go over well. Imagine the violation of being TOLD what you have to believe, I feel this is what we do as a society when we do not allow adults to make choices involving other willing adults, and please note I said willing adult... not child, nor animal, nor corpse but a WILLING ADULT.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by Wonderful1908
Lovespell (and others) I appreciate your "documentation" as your non-biblical basis of not tolerating homosexuality. No matter how many refrences that are given (and I question the validity of much of your documentation) we will probably have to agree to disagree on this topic.

I think that's a good idea. You asked for other reasons and they were given...it wasn't a means to convince you or anyone else for that matter.... What will be will be in the USA and as I said....our children of tommorrow will suffer the consequences of the laws and choices we make today.

[Dionysus]

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
Ok lets see........reasons to be against homosexuality other than religion..... I believe its against the rules of nature. If the population was to become homosexual, natural conception would cease, and we would have to rely on test tubes and sperm donors to replenish the earth. I do not believe this is natural. I also believe its just as disgusting and un-natural as beastiality and necrophilia. Next I assume we'll be in court saying if a man loves a dead person or an animal....who are we to stand in his way of eternal love!!

Also, someone mentioned it was insulting to say compare homosexual marriage to marrying an animal. Well I am asserting that once you change the institution of marriage from a man and a woman....all is fair game.. A man marrying 16 women and folx wanting to marry animals (if you think this is not realistic...think again). I think it is insulting to insist that a marital union consist of two men or two women...or anything other than a man and a woman....but that's just me....

This slope is paved with KY Jelly. There is no proof that that there is a relation between homosexuality and beastiality, nor that one will lead to another.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by Dionysus
This slope is paved with KY Jelly. There is no proof that that there is a relation between homosexuality and beastiality, nor that one will lead to another.

u misunderstand...i wasnt saying there was a relation...(although i think its funny thats what you think i meant! ) I was saying I thought both are equally perverse...and making the point that people will probably be in court next to defend their right to form a marital union with whomever they want...

[MaMaBuddha]

i am gone a few months and the topic of homosexuality pops up, again????

as i read the posts by lovespell_6, the comparisons still amaze me at how people think.

give me a moment to come back with my thoughts....i am laughing really hard on this one.



-the resident lesbian.

[MaMaBuddha]

i was going to go propose to my dog....

[deltadred]

People are always talking religion when it comes to law.
Telling homosexuals that they can NOT marry is like
telling PERSONS of color that they cannot marry out
of their race. How about when the slave owners told
our ancestors who to marry or not(by using religion)

It seems that only the homosexuals want to get married.
I am not saying,but how many people you know are
SHACKIN UP and not about to jump the broom???

deltadred

[Wonderful1908]

Originally posted by MaMaBuddha
i was going to go propose to my dog....

This is just one of the times you can't understand why people think a certain way. As passionate as I am about gay marriage as an adult choice, people are determined to force thier belief systems on others which they are welcome to their opinion, because that is all part of the world of choice.
By the way..... you should invite a corpse to the ceremony, maybe a donkey can marry you it's a free world.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by Wonderful1908
This is just one of the times you can't understand why people think a certain way.

You said a mouthful here!

As passionate as I am about gay marriage as an adult choice, people are determined to force thier belief systems on others which they are welcome to their opinion, because that is all part of the world of choice.
By the way..... you should invite a corpse to the ceremony, maybe a donkey can marry you it's a free world.

Ooooh I am laughing my head off...yall so funny

Who's trying to force their beliefs on anyone??? I thought this was a dialogue/discussion?? Just because someone disagrees vehemently with what's popular...doesn't mean they are trying to impose or force anything on anyone...

We all will have to answer for our life decisions to a higher power...every knee shall bow!!

I'm not anyone's judge though... so its all good to me...
marry your sisters, moms, pets, whatever.... its on you!!

[Wonderful1908]

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
Ooooh I am laughing my head off...yall so funny

Who's trying to force their beliefs on anyone??? I thought this was a dialogue/discussion?? Just because someone disagrees vehemently with what's popular...doesn't mean they are trying to impose or force anything on anyone...

We all will have to answer for our life decisions to a higher power...every knee shall bow!!

I'm not anyone's judge though... so its all good to me...
marry your sisters, moms, pets, whatever.... its on you!!

Since you quoted me, I never said that you were trying to force your beliefs on anyone. The great thing is that you as an individual do not have that power, as neither do I. So as much as we can discuss and debate when its all said in done in the state of Massachutes gays will be giving the choice to marry. So your belief system and my belief system will continue to remain the same.
Gay marriage being wrong is one opinion that we are all entitled to have, feeling one way about gay marriage being wrong then expecting the law to agree with your opinion is another. I could care less if everybody on this board was against gay marraige as long as that opinion stayed out of the law.
As far as being judged this we agree on 100% no one is God and since their are thousands of sins, thank God we serve a God who chooses to forgive them ALL.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by Wonderful1908

As far as being judged this we agree on 100% no one is God and since their are thousands of sins, thank God we serve a God who chooses to forgive them ALL.

Question: Don't you have to think you're doing something wrong and repent to be forgiven?

[Rain Man]

The Bible says in the book of Deuteronomy that homosexuality is an abomination, i.e. a sin. So are gay marriages immoral? To those who believe the Word of God is truth, the answer should be a firm, resounding YES! To those who question or just don't believe in God or His Word, the answer is either "no" or "it's debateable".

My answer is based on God's Word: Gay marriages are immoral, period. And that's my final answer

[Wonderful1908]

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
Question: Don't you have to think you're doing something wrong and repent to be forgiven?

You are misunderstanding my position on gay marriage. Point blank it says it in the Bible that being homosexual should not occure. I don't disagrre with that statement at all. My position in this thread is with that being the basis for my position on homosexuality I DO NOT FEEL that that should be the rational for everybody to have to follow. If the world was full of full time practicing, Bible following Christian(who choose to be Christians) it would be fantatstic. Since its not I think that one group of peoples beliefs do not supercede others beliefs and choices. Bottom line, Christianity is a choice you are given by living in America, in other places religion is decided for you. So since we are given the oppurtunity to worship who we CHOOSE, then I think people should be respected and given the oppurtunity to marry who they choose (if the other person is an adult and consents to marrying them) without having to be forced to have that choice made for them. How would you feel if all the Christians were locked up because out country moved to Atheism? I know I wouldn't want someone making decisons for me, and I have to suffer because I do not agree.

[DoggyStyle82]

Originally posted by MaMaBuddha
i was going to go propose to my dog....

MaMaBuddha, great to see your name again. My favorite old school poster. I hope life is treating you great.

I agree with WONDERFUL08 in that the Constitution guarantees us all the "pursuit of happiness" and gays deserve "equal protection" under the law. Civil marriages should be recognized as legit and equal under the law as heterosexual marriage.

Judeo/Christian theology should not supercede constitutional law. But LoveSpell is right in this respect, her opinion is as valid as anyone else's even if it is not trendy or popular to have standards. Somehow it has become offensive to actually stand for something.