Weigh In: Legalizing Gay Marriage - Page 3

DZHBrown · #31 08-20-2003, 12:35 AM

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Originally posted by Munchkin03
Did I say that? No... I know there are people who are abstaining.

Please don't tell me what I'm assuming.

My point still stands.

Then maybe you misworded it, because when I go back and read it again a few times, it still looks like you're saying people are hypocrites because they are okay with premarital sex and no homosexual sex.

Your point doesn't quite stand here.

erniegurl00 · #32 08-20-2003, 12:39 AM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Because of the religious aspect. What other reason is there?

Sigh....Christianity has gotten my goat for soooo many years now. I guess maybe I'm too liberal or whatnot, but who says religion has to control everything we do in this country? I might be going out on a limb for this, but why do we take some things in the Bible so darn literally but other things we just "skip" over?

Like I said before...
Love is love. End of story.

Maybe I will go to Hell, maybe I won't, but I've always believed God to be an all-loving being. At least this is what I was grown up to believe!

Munchkin03 · #33 08-20-2003, 12:42 AM

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Originally posted by DZHBrown
Then maybe you misworded it, because when I go back and read it again a few times, it still looks like you're saying people are hypocrites because they are okay with premarital sex and no homosexual sex.

Your point doesn't quite stand here.

I fixed it, hopefully it will be easier for you to understand.

Back to the topic at hand!

Sistermadly · #34 08-20-2003, 12:56 AM

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Originally posted by Munchkin03
If one are to believe the Bible on a literal level, premarital heterosexual sex is the same as homosexual sex in the sense of the gravity of sin. Are there hypocrites in the house? How can one be okay with heterosexual premarital sex, yet consider gay sex a sin?

Munchkin, I never understood this reasoning. However, people used biblical passages to justify the enslavement of Africans, and to justify why women shouldn't be preachers/ministers. There are more than a few denominations who have completely rescinded their previous positions on these issues, and I think it's just a matter of time before this last domino falls.

Hypocrisy is a tricky thing -- it's hard to see when you're looking from the inside out.

I suppose this would be a bad time to mention that my partner (

) and I were married by a lesbian feminist buddhist minister. Heh.

three2tango · #35 08-20-2003, 01:17 AM

Here's my anwser to the situation:

Make governmental unions okay for all; however, make it harder to get married and easier to get divorced.

Age Restrictions:
You must be this old to get married,
20 with parental consent (and at least have an associates degree) 25 without
in case of pregnancy the legal guardianship of the child is to be split jointly between the legal guardians of the minors until age 20 is reached by the oldest party. If one of the parties is under the age of 20 and one over the age of 20 the party over the age of 20 is guilty of statutory rape and is ineligible to be married before the age of 40 and also has no parental rights to this child and a vasectomy/tube tying will be performed within one week of the paternity testing.

Educational Requirements (for non-handicaped individuals)
High School Diploma or GED required for those 25 and older (for those under 25 an associates is required)

Criminal Background:
Marriage may not be entered into by anyone being party to any of the following crimes:

DUI, murder, aggrivated anything, adultery (in case you actually make it through all of this and the divorce to try again) Drug trafficing, poaching of endangered species, prostitution.

I am going to have to come back to this I am getting sleepy. Ruling the world is tough! (Plese understand that this entire post is for entertainment (specifically my entertainment) purposes only, and yes I know I am unable to spell which should take away my marital rights.

Munchkin03 · #36 08-20-2003, 01:33 AM

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Originally posted by Sistermadly
However, people used biblical passages to justify the enslavement of Africans, and to justify why women shouldn't be preachers/ministers.

Perhaps "hypocrite" was too strong a word. I just would prefer others to be as introspective before speaking as I am.

People used biblical passages to justify the anti-miscegenation laws that were in place before 1967, too--both blacks and whites. Meanwhile, we all know what was going on behind closed doors before 1865. So, when someone hides behind the Bible to justify their bigotry, I'm more than a little wary.

Three2Tango, your post cracked me up.

GeekyPenguin · #37 08-20-2003, 01:34 AM

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Originally posted by sugar and spice
I think marriage should be legalized for gays and lesbians. I can't think of any reasons, besides religious ones, that would make it "wrong" for gays and lesbians to get married -- and I don't think the government should be using religious justification for its laws.

Ditto.

SigmaChiCard · #38 08-20-2003, 01:40 AM

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Originally posted by erniegurl00
who says religion has to control everything we do in this country?

GW BUSH

erniegurl00 · #39 08-20-2003, 01:53 AM

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Originally posted by SigmaChiCard
GW BUSH

UGGHH. Well that figures. I greatly dislike that man!

lifesaver · #40 08-20-2003, 01:55 AM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Because of the religious aspect. What other reason is there?

Several resons. Some straight people still believe that you can turn someone gay. Thats why the anty gay marrage laws are always termed "Defense of Marrage". Some people in this day and age still believe that homosexuality is a choice and and that some marrage is gonna get broken up because a straight woman is good friends with a lesbian and is gonna decide to all the sudden gonna swing that way and abandon her family. Like the reality is that she was unhappy all along and only got married becasue she thought that was what she had to do to have a family and be "happy".

Also a lot of the people apparently polled think that it somehow cheapens their marrages. The farmer and his wife in the midwest only see gay images that reflect the extremes of gay society. The parades and the drag, dykes on bikes and wierd ass cultural garb. They dont see the normal, everyday hard working gay americans and gay canadians who are in their midsts just trying to make a living and be happy and live their lives and are totally "normal acting". The farmer and his wife dont want someone who acts all extreme to have the same blessing on their unions becasue it seems so bizzare, so foriegn.

I have a cousin who is lezbian and why shouldnt she be able to spend her life in a committed relationshp to someone she loves?

I support it. It has nothing to do with religion. Sure, its fundamentally about love. But most importantly, its about equality. Why shouldnt all members of our society be afforded the same rights and responsibilities? Isnt that what equal opportunity under the law is all about? In the US we've made it a point to extend the basic fundamental rights to all members of our society, except one group. Gays are the last group its ok, legally to descriminate against. And thats just not right, or fair. As for "civil unions" It should be all or nothing. Didnt we eliminate "seperate but UNequal" about 40 years ago? Its a shame were still not past that. Shame on us, indeed.

Sistermadly · #41 08-20-2003, 02:41 AM

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Originally posted by Munchkin03
Perhaps "hypocrite" was too strong a word. I just would prefer others to be as introspective before speaking as I am.

I feel you. Maybe "myopic" is a better term.

lovelyivy84 · #42 08-20-2003, 06:06 AM

What happened to all the people who are against gay marriage? Can't you guys elaborate? cash78mere? Ginger? anyone?

moe.ron · #43 08-20-2003, 06:16 AM

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Originally posted by LeslieAGD
Personally, I believe "marriage" is between a man and a woman.

However, I see nothing wrong with committment ceremonies that provide gay couples with legal rights (tax concerns, insurance, etc).

OUlioness01 · #44 08-20-2003, 07:54 AM

i just want ot thank everyone for their support of homosexual marriage. it means a lot to me because of my family situation. i've been trying to figure out wedding invitations and what my children will call my dad's partner for years, and i'm not even close to that stage in my life. you all are wonderful, openminded people who ought to get all the rewards in life since you seem to offer them to all, no matter sexual prefernce or whatnot.

enlightenment06 · #45 08-20-2003, 10:39 AM

marriage = man + woman

I'd consider civil unions though