NPHC BGLO's how do you feel about non NPHC BGLO's

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by naraht

It is noticed and at least one convention had a seminar specifically demonstrating Alpha Phi Omega stepping.

I taught a strolling workshop at the 2006 convention with about 30 attendees. Most of the participants were not from HBCUs, if that means anything.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by naraht

Agreed, but Alpha Phi Omega, Gamma Sigma Sigma, Kappa Kappa Psi and Tau Beta Sigma generally do fall into the same grouping at HBCUs.

That doesn't a "BGLO" make.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by ErinKathleenNJ

Our chapter didn't have calls/lines/step shows, either.

If what I've been seeing on YouTube recently regarding Alpha Phi Omega chapters starting such trends at the most unlikely of chapters is any indication of an imminent surge of such trends, my only reply to you is this:

COMING SOON TO A CHAPTER NEAR YOU! *lol*

[naraht]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Most don't.

That's why APO isn't a BGLO period and shouldn't even be mentioned in a "nonNPHC BGLO" thread.

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

If what I've been seeing on YouTube recently regarding Alpha Phi Omega chapters starting such trends at the most unlikely of chapters is any indication of an imminent surge of such trends, my only reply to you is this:

COMING SOON TO A CHAPTER NEAR YOU! *lol*

If you can find any Alpha Phi Omega stepping beyond an HBCU, I'd love to see it. The ones I've seen so far have been for schools like Prairie View and Florida A&M.

Randy

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by naraht

If you can find any Alpha Phi Omega stepping beyond an HBCU, I'd love to see it. The ones I've seen so far have been for schools like Prairie View and Florida A&M.

Randy

I saw the Alpha Epsilon Nu chapter doing a step during their 2007 Sectionals Roll Call. If it's still on YouTube, I'll give you the link.

btw, I saw another APO co-ed chapter step (it was uploaded on YouTube within the last few weeks).

This is my 1st time on Greeksource. One of my bruhs told me about Greeksource and informed me that there is a discussion going on about my sorority and my brother fraternity. Oh, I guess I should've started out by letting everybody know that I am a member of, what I consider to be the greatest sorority, Gamma Sigma Sigma National Service Sorority. And the brothers are Alpha Phi Omega National Service Fraternity.

It intrigued me to know that there is a discussion going on about my sorority and our bruhs and our validity. And I have come to know that people fear the unknown. We get a lot of beef, including the brothers, from NPHC organizations, mainly because they don't know who we are. I have read most of the posts on this topic, and I have mixed feelings.

I am proud to say that I am one of the 15 founders of my chapter, Zeta Upsilon at Ohio State University. So I take Gamma-Sig very seriously. First of all, we were founded in 1952 by 8 groups of white women, so no, we do not consider ourselves to be a Black GLO, although we do have a huge number of Black chapters and White chapters who have Black members, as well as Black sorors serving on our National Board of Directors. To clarify, yes we do hand signs, a call, colors, and we do step. Matter-of-factly, we hold it down whenever we come out!! And I want to let everyone know that we do none of this to imitate anything the NPHC or BGLOs have taken on as traditions. In my opinion, we do these things because it is particular to us as Africans. So when I hear NPHC members say that Gamma-Sig and A-Phi-Q are not "Greek", it makes me sad because obviously somebody wasn't taught what they ought to know about the "Greek" system they live and die by!!!! It's important for us as members of GLOs to know the true African origins of our letters.

So that there will be no more misconstrued ideas nor posts about GSS and A-Phi-Q, we are BOTH national service organizations, not a business fraternity like someone mentioned prior.

In service,
Iacoca

[ElonDST90]

This is my first time on GreekSource and I hope I dont' offend anyone. I have found it interesting to read the posting regarding Alpha Phi Omega and Gamma Sigma Sigma. I find it quite interesting that Alpha Phi Omega would have a sister sorority (or Jewels/sweethearts even) when the organization it self is co-ed. Why be sisters to a fraternity that you can actually join? That is more baffling to me than the "Non-NPHC" issue.
Can someone help me to understand? I'm not bashing at all. I just want to understand the rationale.

We had "A Phi Q's" when I was in school and when I went to another campus and actually saw a white female with the same letters on, it totally tripped me out! Then I went back and looked at old yearbooks from my school and saw that the chapter was actually co-ed and predominately white at one time. Somehow, I think the chapter died and was given new life as an "NPHC like" organization. Now the chapter is active again as a co-ed, multi racial service organization with mainly women at the helm.

Does anyone know what the Alpha Phi Omega national office think about all of this?

[12dn94dst]

Welcome soror! Please introduce yourself here.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by ElonDST90

This is my first time on GreekSource and I hope I dont' offend anyone. I have found it interesting to read the posting regarding Alpha Phi Omega and Gamma Sigma Sigma. I find it quite interesting that Alpha Phi Omega would have a sister sorority (or Jewels/sweethearts even) when the organization it self is co-ed. Why be sisters to a fraternity that you can actually join? That is more baffling to me than the "Non-NPHC" issue.
Can someone help me to understand? I'm not bashing at all. I just want to understand the rationale.

Gamma Sigma Sigma isn't officially a sister sorority. Locally some chapters especially ones that are still all-male have much tighter relations with the individual chapters. More specifically at many Historically Black Colleges and Universities the fraternity isn't co-ed and Gamma Sigma Sigma is treated as a sister. When Gamma Sigma Sigma was formed in 1952, Alpha Phi Omega was entirely male (and limited to former scouts) and we did help the groups who were interested find each other. We however were not part of the founding meeting as far as I know.

Originally Posted by ElonDST90

We had "A Phi Q's" when I was in school and when I went to another campus and actually saw a white female with the same letters on, it totally tripped me out! Then I went back and looked at old yearbooks from my school and saw that the chapter was actually co-ed and predominately white at one time. Somehow, I think the chapter died and was given new life as an "NPHC like" organization. Now the chapter is active again as a co-ed, multi racial service organization with mainly women at the helm.

Does anyone know what the Alpha Phi Omega national office think about all of this?

I'd be interested in the years on this. When were the first yearbooks, when were you in school and when do you think the chapter came back. And you may be right in terms of a zombie "NPHC like" chapter.

Not sure there is much the National Office would do now, but let me know if you can think of something they should.

Randolph Finder

[Corbin Dallas]

I thought APO was a coed service fraternity. No disrespect meant, but if it is, what is the need for a sister sorority. On a side note, I think I would die of laughter if I saw the APO's at my school stepping, throwing up signs, or doing calls. You just have to know them to understand.

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Steve Corbin
Lambda Chi Alpha
Theta Kappa Zeta Chapter
Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech.

[SoCalGirl]

I agree with Steve. I'd be rollin' all over the floor if I saw APhiO steppin. At my school APhiO doesn't consider THEMSELVES Greek. I do though, but I know everthing changes at different chapters.

I'm also confused as to how a CO-ED service glo can have chapter with all men. Then those chapters develop a sister relationship with GSS. Aren't APhiO National's a little curious as to why theres no girls on their roster at those schools?

[Rain Man]

As far as Alpha Phi Omega's Nationals' curiosity about all-male chapters, they do allow all-male chapters under certain stipulations. We were founded all-male, and in 1976 allowed women to join. The all-male chapters who wished to remain all-male at the time we went coed could do so. 'Nuff said.

[gamma_girl52]

Well said, my soror!

As I said in my last post, GSS is NOT, I repeat, NOT a BGLO, is was in fact founded by white women representing 8 different colleges/universities, and I embrace all my sisters whether they are black, white or purple...it doesen't matter to me :C)

Secondly, I don't really like the term "social" when it comes to Greeks because we all ought to be using our time serving others, giving to your national philantropy (sp!), whatever. Of course we all make time for fun and fellowship, but I think what's most important is that we're all out there doing something positive for our communities.

As for my brothers, I feel you should ask a brother of Alpha Phi Omega to answer your questions in depth. But they aren't a Christian fraternity, I know that for sure :C)

I am one of the 18 founders of my chapter, Zeta Tau at Georgia State University. And I wouldn't trade my experience or my beloved sorority for the world!

[gamma_girl52]

Rain Man, I know you are not a soror! :C) What's up bruh!

I feel what you're saying...to each his own, that's what I say. And why not have a sister org? That's why I said in my last post, I could go into a novel about why we're brother and sister :C) But I love my brothers of Alpha Phi Omega, and I will continue to work with them side by side!

[MaMaBuddha]

i am a member of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority Incorporated, a member of Alpha Phi Omega bka A Phi Q or APO (Alpha Gamma Gamma chapter at Hunter College in NYC).

since the inception of the co-ed fraternity (1925), there has alway been a handshake and secret signs. The stepping came into play when african amercian joined.

I've been to several viking chapters that are only african amerian men and have a call "skeet skeet" and even some of these men don't acknowledge me. most do, because i can handle my own and i know my history!!!



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"the ORIGINAL soror from the dirtiest part of the south"
(cheese grits, hogmahs and fatback)

MaMaBuddha
Delta Alpha/Epsilon Tau
Spring 94
the 24th Diva of Perfection