Rachel Corrie Cartoon Controversy - Page 3

juniorgrrl · #31 06-27-2003, 01:35 AM

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Originally posted by KillarneyRose
When the bulldozer refused to stop or turn aside, what she
should have done was get the heck out of there. What a waste of a young life

I hate to say this, but if she was THAT stupid, its probably good that she's not around to reproduce.

Can we nominate this girl for a Darwin Award?

enlightenment06 · #32 06-27-2003, 02:50 AM

I don't think she was stupid. If being stupid is laying your life on the line for what you believe in, yes, it was stupid. But then I guess Dr. King was stupid, and so was Ghandi, and Malcolm X, and the Freedom Riders. After all, why die for something you believe in when you can live as a pawn in someone else's game?

The cartoon is tasteless, but nonetheless protected by the First Amendment (one of my favorites, along with the Thirteenth and Fourteenth).

Rudey · #33 06-27-2003, 04:16 AM

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Originally posted by enlightenment06
I don't think she was stupid. If being stupid is laying your life on the line for what you believe in, yes, it was stupid. But then I guess Dr. King was stupid, and so was Ghandi, and Malcolm X, and the Freedom Riders. After all, why die for something you believe in when you can live as a pawn in someone else's game?

The cartoon is tasteless, but nonetheless protected by the First Amendment (one of my favorites, along with the Thirteenth and Fourteenth).

It's not just about having "any" cause. Heck, Hitler and Mussolini had causes too.

-Rudey
--There are facts in this case that haven't even been presented on this thread.

enlightenment06 · #34 06-27-2003, 02:58 PM

Hitler wasn't stupid though. He was evil, vile, and repugnant, but I wouldn't say he lacked intelligence.

PSK480 · #35 06-27-2003, 03:36 PM

I'm not saying the Isrealis are always blameless in their actions, but we also need to see that the Palestinians aren't the angels she and other people want us to think they are. They are just as much in the wrong as the Isrealis. You compare this girl to Martin Luther King JR., Malcolm X, and Ghandi? you could have chosen a little better now. The Isreali Defense force has been in a state of constant military action since before the nation of Isreal was formed. Common sense dictates that when the Isreali Defense Force is taking an action and it is tearing down a house with a bulldozer you don't stand in front of it. The Isrealis aren't going to just stop cause some protester sits in front of thei wrecking equipment. They are defending themselves, if the suspect this house is involved with arms smuggling then they have every reason to tear it down. Don't make this girl a martyr because she doesn't have the common sense to move out of the path of a bulldozer. She should have used her head to choose a better organization to help instead of one tied to Terrorism.

Rudey · #36 06-27-2003, 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by enlightenment06
Hitler wasn't stupid though. He was evil, vile, and repugnant, but I wouldn't say he lacked intelligence.

Too bad you're wrong.

-Rudey
--He wasn't intelligent.

enlightenment06 · #37 06-28-2003, 01:34 AM

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Originally posted by PSK480
I'm not saying the Isrealis are always blameless in their actions, but we also need to see that the Palestinians aren't the angels she and other people want us to think they are. They are just as much in the wrong as the Isrealis. You compare this girl to Martin Luther King JR., Malcolm X, and Ghandi? you could have chosen a little better now. The Isreali Defense force has been in a state of constant military action since before the nation of Isreal was formed. Common sense dictates that when the Isreali Defense Force is taking an action and it is tearing down a house with a bulldozer you don't stand in front of it. The Isrealis aren't going to just stop cause some protester sits in front of thei wrecking equipment. They are defending themselves, if the suspect this house is involved with arms smuggling then they have every reason to tear it down. Don't make this girl a martyr because she doesn't have the common sense to move out of the path of a bulldozer. She should have used her head to choose a better organization to help instead of one tied to Terrorism.

I'm wasn't saying the girl was right or wrong for doing what she did nor was I trying to take a side in the Middleast Conflict issue (that's for another thread). I'm simply saying that we shouldn't say that someone is stupid for risking their life for something they believed in. If she was trying to liberate Twinkies from the Hostess Company and got killed I would hold the same position. How many of us would put our lives on the line for something we belive in?

RUgreek · #38 07-02-2003, 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by enlightenment06
I'm wasn't saying the girl was right or wrong for doing what she did nor was I trying to take a side in the Middleast Conflict issue (that's for another thread). I'm simply saying that we shouldn't say that someone is stupid for risking their life for something they believed in. If she was trying to liberate Twinkies from the Hostess Company and got killed I would hold the same position. How many of us would put our lives on the line for something we belive in?

I don't think I'd risk my life for twinkies. I love those cream-filled tasty treats just like the next person, but I guess everyone needs to have their cause.

Rachel Corrie was part of a group that had no permission or right to be in that area. Walking into a violent and dangerous situation after repeated warnings is stupid and gets no sympathy. Fighting for a cause is one thing, but stepping in front of a 3-ton bulldozer and trying to show off that you're some foreigner who will protect terrorists from having their home teared down doesn't make you a very bright person. She had no business being there, and as sad as it is to hear someone die, she deserved what she asked for. Maybe it will send a wake-up call to the other members of this peace group that maybe they aren't as powerful as they think they are.

enlightenment06 · #39 07-02-2003, 11:30 AM

Regardless of our opinions, God willing the new wave of peace efforts will be successful. Rachel Corrie's death is among the countless too many. Whether you identify with the Palestinians or Israelis, let us ALL work TOGETHER to achieve a lasting peace.

Otherwise you just suck.

KillarneyRose · #40 07-02-2003, 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by enlightenment06
Regardless of our opinions, God willing the new wave of peace efforts will be successful. Rachel Corrie's death is among the countless too many. Whether you identify with the Palestinians or Israelis, let us ALL work TOGETHER to achieve a lasting peace.

Otherwise you just suck.

Clear cut, precise and to the point. I like it

CatStarESP4 · #41 07-04-2003, 04:04 PM

The cartoon is not only offensive, but also very disturbing. I don't care if you support Israel or Palestine, a young woman was killed doing something she believed in. She didn't deserve to have her name, memory or actions mocked by a poorly thought of cartoon.

RUgreek · #42 07-09-2003, 01:36 AM

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Originally posted by CatStarESP4
a young woman was killed doing something she believed in.

Yea, the 9/11 hijackers and suicide bombers were killed doing something they believed in too.

Not trying (hard) to start a flame war, but there are 2 sides to a coin, and while a death is tragic and not to be mocked, there are people in this world that believe blindly in things that do not make sense. If she was there by accident or got caught in the middle of an altercation there and was killed, I'd feel bad. However, she thrusted herself into that situation, against the wishes and warnings of both governments and should have known better. It's still sad no matter who's side you pick to see someone so young and full of such a promising future get hurt, but she was playing with fire this time...

sugar and spice · #43 07-09-2003, 08:29 PM

I think that the difference between the 9/11 suicide bombers and Rachel Corrie is that Rachel didn't kill anyone but herself. And that's a big difference.

RUgreek · #44 07-09-2003, 09:09 PM

Because she died not hurting others is besides the point. The argument here isn't that she differs from suicide bombers, but that she was forbidden to be there and took it upon herself to show off and try to make a statement.

In that way, she is quite similar to the terrorists in the territories over there: She created a deadly situation for an innocent person. Only ironic thing is that she was the innocent one being harmed. And trying to stop Israelis from bulldozing the houses of terrorists creates legitimacy for them as well.

Look, there is a right way and a wrong way to deal with every situation. Yes the cartoon was in poor taste, but it did say what we all know, how stupid one can get.

sugar and spice · #45 07-09-2003, 09:22 PM

I think that's exactly the point. She died for a cause that she believed in. That's not stupid. There are plenty of people out there who have done the same and were definitely NOT stupid: some of those in the Civil Rights movement, or Gandhi's followers, for example. And comparing her to the suicide bombers is ridiculous because, as I said, she didn't kill anybody but herself. The tragedy of suicide bombers is not that they're killing themselves to make a point, but that they're taking other innocents down with them.

Just because someone does not hold the same values as you does not make them stupid, it only makes them different.