we need a moderator

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I mean ones that are moved instead of locked and left. I think moving all threads locked for flaming, etc. to a single forum instead of either locked and left or moved to an area where they are unseen by the rest of the forum would be preferable. Perhaps this area would only be viewable to members who are logged in, if that would satisfy others.

Some threads are just simply inappropriate to leave public, though. Surely you wouldn't want anything that discusses Ritual, Membership Selection, or anything that compromises an organization's integrity be available via search result, right?

I know some threads get send to the MC for review. Some get cleaned up and sent back to the public forums. Still, there are some things that aren't meant to be left public (insert dueling banjos here).

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

You see... this is the reason I think we need a mod. No one is being obstinate, but clearly people have differing opinions. If there's no mod, then the likelihood of posts getting out of hand significantly increases.

Sure, there are supermods, but as kathykd2005 pointed out earlier, that doesn't justify intentionally keeping a group from having a mod (if the group wants one).

I'm afraid I've stirred the pot just by pointing out the fact that we no longer have a mod. It's a catch-22. If I hadn't said anything about it, people (aka John) would assume we don't need/want one. But since I did say something, it seems like now there's kinda an unwelcoming air about the place. And that makes me sad.

Hope you don't find the conversation inappropriate for your forum, I will take it elsewhere if y'all would prefer.

Originally Posted by OTW

Some threads are just simply inappropriate to leave public, though. Surely you wouldn't want anything that discusses Ritual, Membership Selection, or anything that compromises an organization's integrity be available via search result, right?

I know some threads get send to the MC for review. Some get cleaned up and sent back to the public forums. Still, there are some things that aren't meant to be left public (insert dueling banjos here).

Oh I completely understand that things need to be deleted. And if it were a viewable locked threads forum those pages could be set not to be searched and cached by search engines as well as limiting access to logged on members. I just think that if it shouldn't be public, delete it. If it's just a flame war, it should be locked and moved. (Not that I always agree about the locking of flame wars. I'd rather see the discussions moved to the appropriate area, or Chit Chat, and allowed to continue under the "we're all adults here" mentality. Locking and closing the thread means starting a new one which just results in half of THAT thread being whining about the fact that it's a new thread.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Hope you don't find the conversation inappropriate for your forum, I will take it elsewhere if y'all would prefer.

No, I personally don't find the conversation inappropriate, nor do I think it needs to be taken elsewhere. But, if we had a mod, if either of those things were the case, a mod would be able to take care of it. Without having to go find a supermod to do it.

I'm just sayin'...

Originally Posted by SydneyK

But, if we had a mod, if either of those things were the case, a mod would be able to take care of it. Without having to go find a supermod to do it.

FWIW, James and Barbara are on quite frequently so no one really needs to go find them. I recall reporting a post in this very thread that got taken care of very quickly, and even got a nice reply from the mod thanking me for the heads up.

If there's a problem in the KD forum (or any forum, for that matter) -- just make sure you report it. The mods aren't on 24/7, but they're pretty on it as far as taking care of things go, and that's a big GC improvement.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by OTW

FWIW, James and Barbara are on quite frequently so no one really needs to go find them. I recall reporting a post in this very thread that got taken care of very quickly, and even got a nice reply from the mod thanking me for the heads up.

Thanks - I just never really paid much attention to who is a super vs. run-of-the-mill mod.

And I know the posts you're talking about - thanks for reporting them, btw.

[kddani]

John gets to things in his own sweet time. The members of the particular GLO forum rarely get any say as to who becomes their mod. John could generally care less about anyone's opinions other than current mods, and even for mods, those conversations apparently take place via PM because reasoning is generally not announced. Why a Sigma Nu or Pi Kappa Alpha or Kappa Sig or whatever XYZ fraternity man should have a say in who is the Kappa Delta moderator is beyond me....

Like OTW said, some mods thing that the mod's corner shoud be OMG SO SECRETIVE like top secret government secrets are being revealed and ritual is being discussed. Those mods generally just don't want the peon members to know that they're talking crap on them behind the closed mods corners door.

Anyway, I don't see John getting to this any time soon because he just doesn't seem to care. Plus he's at least six months or so behind on PMs or even PMs that he swore he would respond to.

So, the long and short of it is, fellow KD's - don't hold your breath waiting for a mod. If you have a problem with a post- PM one of the supermods. If you don't feel comfortable doing that, PM me and I will pass the message along. Though I am no longer a mod (for never explained reasons- told ya, top secret stuff), I think Barb and James trust me enough and have enough respect for me that if I asked them to remove something, they would, no questions asked.

[Leslie Anne]

I started avoiding this thread when it looked like it was going to turn into a train wreck. (Thanks, OTW, for reporting the posts.) Now that the discussion is civil I'd like to put in my 2 cents.

I realize that there are super-mods to take care of things and I appreciate their work but that still doesn't mean that the KD forum doesn't need a moderator. I just checked and there are only 4 NPCs without a moderator: AXO, KD, SDT and TPA. Why? I don't know if the other three have requested a mod but we all saw how long the Sigma Kappas had to beg for a moderator before they got one. (Congratulations, btw.) It just doesn't seem fair or wise to leave certain groups "unprotected."

Dani took care of MANY catastophes in the KD forum. I'm certain there are more to come.

(Besides, who's gonna keep me in line now? I just might run amok. -- Yea, I heard that thought.)



ETA: Dani posted while I was typing. Thanks for the info. I thought it was your decision to no longer be a moderator. Hmm. Sorry to see you go.

Originally Posted by kddani

Like OTW said, some mods thing that the mod's corner shoud be OMG SO SECRETIVE like top secret government secrets are being revealed and ritual is being discussed. Those mods generally just don't want the peon members to know that they're talking crap on them behind the closed mods corners door.

Truer words were never spoken. You should also add that not all mods talk crap behind closed doors. Some religiously do, some don't. Then there are mods who never or rarely post in the public forums anymore, which stinks because one of the criteria (back in the day) of being a mod was being someone who frequently contributes to discussions throughout the site. Now they just stick to their own small circle in the MC. It'd be really unfair to paint all mods with the same brush.

Originally Posted by SydneyK

Thanks - I just never really paid much attention to who is a super vs. run-of-the-mill mod.

And I know the posts you're talking about - thanks for reporting them, btw.

NP. That stuff may fly in the General Forums, but that exchange really had no place here. I seriously doubt I was the only one doing the reporting.

[kddani]

Originally Posted by OTW

Truer words were never spoken. You should also add that not all mods talk crap behind closed doors. Some religiously do, some don't. Then there are mods who never or rarely post in the public forums anymore, which stinks because one of the criteria (back in the day) of being a mod was being someone who frequently contributes to discussions throughout the site. Now they just stick to their own small circle in the MC. It'd be really unfair to paint all mods with the same brush.

Absolutely and I'm sorry if I seemed that I was. Some of my best GC friends are mods. Some of the people that I have the least respect for are mods. Interesting cross section.

Thanks for the kind words, LeslieAnne. I don't think i've ever betrayed my GC KD sisters in moderating this forum, but alas, that doesn't matter to John. I tried my best to take care of everything as quickly as possible. Oh well, what can you do???

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by kddani

John gets to things in his own sweet time. The members of the particular GLO forum rarely get any say as to who becomes their mod. John could generally care less about anyone's opinions other than current mods, and even for mods, those conversations apparently take place via PM because reasoning is generally not announced. Why a Sigma Nu or Pi Kappa Alpha or Kappa Sig or whatever XYZ fraternity man should have a say in who is the Kappa Delta moderator is beyond me....

Like OTW said, some mods thing that the mod's corner shoud be OMG SO SECRETIVE like top secret government secrets are being revealed and ritual is being discussed. Those mods generally just don't want the peon members to know that they're talking crap on them behind the closed mods corners door.

Anyway, I don't see John getting to this any time soon because he just doesn't seem to care. Plus he's at least six months or so behind on PMs or even PMs that he swore he would respond to.

The apparent contradiction from what you've posted (that the current mods have a LOT of influence on the decison) and what 33girl posted (that the mods have NO say) is why I think there should be more transparency about it. PMs are clearly going to happen anyway, but why not put it out there and get rid of the idea that being a mod and seeing mod-hood is as serious as AI and should only be offerred upon the most worthy contenders in all the land.

I think it's good to have a cross section of moderators, clearly not everyone is going to like the same people. We're all human. I think people who expect moderators to be godly are only asking for mods to have sockpuppets where they say what they really think.

FWIW kddani, I don't believe I ever had a problem with you as a moderator, and I too had thought you'd voluntarily quit. It sounds like that wasn't quite the case even if you can't elaborate and I think that's a shame.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

FWIW kddani, I don't believe I ever had a problem with you as a moderator, and I too had thought you'd voluntarily quit. It sounds like that wasn't quite the case even if you can't elaborate and I think that's a shame.

I, too, thought it was a mutual decision. Sorry to hear that it wasn't.

[kddani]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I, too, thought it was a mutual decision. Sorry to hear that it wasn't.

Yep, I had no say in it, just woke up one day with a much smaller PM box (mods get a LOT more PM space) and a PM from John saying I was no longer a mod. No explanation, nothing. Same with Geekypenguin and AXO Alum. PMs to John requesting further information went unanswered, despite his mass PM to the three of us saying he would get back to us very soon. That was months ago. No PM from John.

So, you see, that's the kind of thing you're dealing with here. Generally, he could care less what the members actually want. He wanted to add avatars to the site, everyone in the mod's corner was vehemently against it, but yet he's probably still going to do it eventually- at least he said he was. Yes it is his site, but that doesn't mean that we have to agree with everything he does. I got tired of the "its John's site he can do what he wants" line a long time ago. I gave him hours of my time, for free, but got no thanks and my opinions didn't matter.

Sorry for the rant, but I didn't know that people thought I stepped down voluntarily. Certainly want to clear the air on that one!

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by kddani

I didn't know that people thought I stepped down voluntarily. Certainly want to clear the air on that one!

Dani,

Like others, I thought you stepped down voluntarily. You've done a great job here, and it irritates me that you were removed from the position. Thank you for all the work you put in; especially considering that, given the frustrations mod-hood caused you, you invested your time and effort just for the good of KD. That's truly sisterhood at its best.

[KDAngel]

Where did my post go here!? I didn't say a SINGLE mean thing whatsoever!!! I just said I supported everyone. What in the world?

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

Dani,

You've done a great job here, and it irritates me that you were removed from the position. Thank you for all the work you put in; especially considering that, given the frustrations mod-hood caused you, you invested your time and effort just for the good of KD. That's truly sisterhood at its best.

Co-sign!