Jay-Z vs Nas

[CrimsonTide4]

Originally posted by Bobby Earl

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Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaawd JESUS, Bobby Earl has returned. You have really been missed. I can unequivocally, categorically say that. Welcome back.

[Bobby Earl]

Originally posted by APhiAce


That said, I must admit, I think Jay smashed Nas on the DIS tip. Jays flow was no where near as complex, but he had more clever shit to say that was more than just shit talkin....it was TRUE. Nas talks about how J wanted to be on his classics...JZ has had better success and more consistent classics....so who won?

Nas calls JZ a faggot...whatever
JZ fucked his baby momma..OUCH...so who won?

Nas says Eminem out flowed JZ on his own track....hey..this is Eminem...whiteboy or not...he is one of the Rawest lyricists out...I wouldn't be embarrased if he outflowed me...Eminem is COLD!
JZ said Nas's Bodyguard(Horse) OchyWally verses was better than his....True ...who the hell is Horse? Nobody knows who this clown is....his rhymes are garbage. To get outflowed by a no-name wac MC is VERY EMBARRASSING....so who won here?


Nas is my guy...but I gotta be real...he should keep doing his thing but he can't win trying to dis JZ....JZs got too much ammo

I agree. Nas can't win playin the dozens. He is a rookie to that game. Hova is a seasoned vet.


NAS does have one of those deep flows that makes you think, similiar to Rakim (if I may be so bold as to say). Jigga, however, has a flow that you can feel no matter where you are at or what you are doing. Besides, anybody that puts a PETEY KLEMENZA (Godfather I) quote at the end of his song gets my ultimate attention.

Feel this:

"Do not step to me... um ackward.. I box lefty.. an orphan.. my pops left me."

Check JIGGA's flow out on MEMPH BLEEK's "Is that yo chick " or whatever the name of the song is.

That's the type of flow that anybody can relate to without having to sell dope or kill somebody. Show me a rapper that doesn't always talk about how much weight he is moving or how many people he will kill. I wanna hear a rapper tell me about what most brothers have in Kommon with him. I understand that sometimes you have to do dirt to survive (we all do), but there is more to life than krime.

[Bobby Earl]

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4


Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaawd JESUS, Bobby Earl has returned. You have really been missed. I can unequivocally, categorically say that. Welcome back.

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THANKYUHVERYMUCH!

[ChaosDST]

Hi Bobby Earl. Jay Z is not the owner...how vain of him to even think that. Jay Z has learned how to PLAY the game extremely well, but I shant say he has the ability to own the hip hop game----hip hop goes FAR beyond Roc A Fella or Jay Z's-disrespectin'-women ass. He's actually quite normal...there's nothing abnormal about him---what does he really do that no one else really does? I'd say nothing.
Now, uh...okay, you're absolutely correct Jay Z is 36, but back in the 80s he wasn't on top of his game...he was hustlin' and he made it to being Jazz's sidekick. His flow was a lot faster and different...but Jazz is the Originator of that. Nas is A LOT younger and has been in the actual rap game longer. Jay said it himself...Nas has been in it 10 and Jay has been in it 5. Who cares who's albums were hotter---it's not about what you know but who you know (producers, record company, promotion, etc.). I don't think Jay Z knows a whole lot...we're completely OVERestimating him...but he knows the right people. I'm not mad at him for that, but let's not pretend as if he's doing some stuff that has never been done before. One day (and someday soon, I hope) there will be another MC who everyone's sweatin' like they're sweatin' Jay Z---it's cyclical.

Originally posted by Bobby Earl
I'm not on the up and up about why they started this war, I do have an opinion to share.

NAS can flow no doubt. NAS has been around the rap industry a little while, also. However Jigga is a grown man (Young VITO voice of the young people). Jigga says that he plays for the team he owns. CAN YOU FEEL THAT! That is the difference between a man and a boy. NAS needs to sit his little young ___ down somewhere and stick to what he knows best, rapping! Jigga has been on his grind since the 80's when NAS was probably wearing Superfriend pajamas with a matching lunchbox.

Nas is like Iverson (player).
Hove is like Jordan (owner).

You tell me the difference.

Oh by the way... Hello lovely ladies of DST. I really miss talking to yall (especially a12deltanu94dst).

[ChaosDST]

everyone pull up your pant legs...there's bullisht ALL OVER the floor Yeah, you corrected yourself in comparing Nas to the UNDISPUTED KING of HIP HOP RAKIM...he never has to put out another album...ever...but no one will ever take that from him.
You're right...Jay Z has a flow that you can feel at anytime...that's the epitome of commerical. He has an alright flow...but, since he doesn't talk about killing and his own skills---he resorts to talking about women a whole lot (lesser of the three evils?).
It's really funny that you quoted the song in which Jay Z got torn to pieces by Eminem. I think his flow on that song was weak...but I guess you see the genius in it. Perhaps you had a hard time finding a tight verse from Blueprint--that wasn't coming from Eminem, that is.

Originally posted by Bobby Earl


I agree. Nas can't win playin the dozens. He is a rookie to that game. Hova is a seasoned vet.


NAS does have one of those deep flows that makes you think, similiar to Rakim (if I may be so bold as to say). Jigga, however, has a flow that you can feel no matter where you are at or what you are doing. Besides, anybody that puts a PETEY KLEMENZA (Godfather I) quote at the end of his song gets my ultimate attention.

Feel this:

"Do not step to me... um ackward.. I box lefty.. an orphan.. my pops left me."

Check JIGGA's flow out on MEMPH BLEEK's "Is that yo chick " or whatever the name of the song is.

That's the type of flow that anybody can relate to without having to sell dope or kill somebody. Show me a rapper that doesn't always talk about how much weight he is moving or how many people he will kill. I wanna hear a rapper tell me about what most brothers have in Kommon with him. I understand that sometimes you have to do dirt to survive (we all do), but there is more to life than krime.

[Bobby Earl]

Originally posted by ChaosDST
everyone pull up your pant legs...there's bullisht ALL OVER the floor Yeah, you corrected yourself in comparing Nas to the UNDISPUTED KING of HIP HOP RAKIM...he never has to put out another album...ever...but no one will ever take that from him.
You're right...Jay Z has a flow that you can feel at anytime...that's the epitome of commerical. He has an alright flow...but, since he doesn't talk about killing and his own skills---he resorts to talking about women a whole lot (lesser of the three evils?).
It's really funny that you quoted the song in which Jay Z got torn to pieces by Eminem. I think his flow on that song was weak...but I guess you see the genius in it. Perhaps you had a hard time finding a tight verse from Blueprint--that wasn't coming from Eminem, that is.

MIKE CHECK ONE TWO ONE TWO... is this thing on?

I compared NAS to RAKIM because I see similiarity in their style. However, RAKIM knew how to get an MC's foot off his neck. So I guess you are right, RAKIM is the undisputed champion.

LAST TIME I CHECKED, commercials sell. There are Kats on the streets who can freestyle with the best of them. There are Kats on the streets that can hoop with the best of them. But people don't wanna hear or see those Kats, they wanna hear this COMMERCIAL flow that you speak of. Yes, HOVE disrespects women. WHAT, NAS DOESN'T? They are both wrong for doing it. Nevertheless, there are women out there who are out to stick rappers for their bread. Hence the phrase, "Let me show you how to walk into a room full of vultures." And even though all women are not like that, that doesn't mean you can't address the ones who are. I do agree that JIGGA should start addressing the ones who are not vultures as well. (Can't see um comin down my eyes, so I gotta let this song cry). I never heard JIGGA say that he treats ALL women like that. Second, yes I chose the RENEGADE song because Jigga's flow is tight. I see a lot of genius in it. True, Eminem was nicer on that song.. so what. NAS was garbage on the uchiwali (spelling) song. Forest Gump could have flowed better than that. His body guard protects people for a living and he was better than the TEN YEAR VETERAN. Who cares if you rap for ten years, if you are puttin out weak sh_ every 5 years. Matter of fact, how can you see that there are no tight verses on the blueprint? Here is the big picture. Last time I checked NAS does not have a RECORD COMPANY. JIGGA owns the blueprint to BLUEPRINT. That is what matters. I guess that's why JIGGA told NAS to "Go play somewhere!"


CHAOSDST please don't take what I said personal. I haven't posted in a minute. Last time I checked, people are awfully sensitive in this camp, so I don't intentionally wanna get anyone upset. It's just a discussion... aight? I don't want CHAOS up in here .

Hello to you too, by the way.

[12dn94dst]

Originally posted by Bobby Earl
Oh by the way... Hello lovely ladies of DST. I really miss talking to yall (especially a12deltanu94dst).

i feel so spayshul!

Welcome back Sweetie!

[APhiAce]

I'll start of by saying I can FULLY AGREE to your statement that

"Nas only got the best of Jay Z (not because of what he said) but because of what he did. He put out a hot album and proved his nay sayers
wrong---many people are feeling Stillmatic more than Blueprint. "

That is onpoint. Still-MATIC is on another level than the Blueprint II(Nuff respect to KRS-1)

I didn't "get" the "anem" part, initially...
but I got it NOW (thanks for breakin it down)

"I dare say you're older (or that much older) than I. Perhaps you're just not cool"

As far as me not being cool..Please YBASM!
(You Betta Ask SoMebody). Just because I'm Intelligent (I'm a Virgo too) doesn't mean I'm not cool. I DEFINE it...then I make believers outta people...I'm not a follower to what everybody else says and does...I'm the ACE! Numero Uno...the leader up in this Mutha(shut my mouf). Recognize!

"And, you're especially not cool with that foul
mouth of yours...what's up with that?!"

As for my foul mouth...come on now...we all grown folks (or did you buy the "Target" version of Blueprint and Still-Matic?) You COULDN'T have heard the Grown-Ups version of these albums and in the same breath be outraged by MY language. Relax. Its realness on your computer screen...nothin more...nothin less. Its all Love though...

[12dn94dst]

Originally posted by APhiAce
"And, you're especially not cool with that foul
mouth of yours...what's up with that?!"

As for my foul mouth...come on now...we all grown folks (or did you buy the "Target" version of Blueprint and Still-Matic?) You COULDN'T have heard the Grown-Ups version of these albums and in the same breath be outraged by MY language. Relax. Its realness on your computer screen...nothin more...nothin less. Its all Love though...

The point Soror is making regarding the language is that we watch our language on DST Blvd. and we expect our guests to do the same. Respect our house, please.

[APhiAce]

You are right...this is your spot I got to respect that (and I do)

I didn't think, in light of the subject matter and my analysis of the things said in the battle between Nas & Jay-z, that my language was that offensive. I didn't mean to seem like I was just rattling off "strong" words for the sake of it. Nevertheless, just because I didn't think they were offensive in that context DOESN'T mean that it wasn't offensive. So in the future I'll be more diplomatic and tactful in the way I describe sensitive subject matter. I didn't mean to offend anybody...my bad..nuff respect to you all and much love 4 ya

[ChaosDST]

Chile we are talking about Nas vs. Jay Z, not the war in Afghanistan. This is possibly the most lightheartened debate we've had on GC in a minute. Besides, deez jes joke

Yeah, I know you were comparing Rakim and Nas on a stretch, but you were doing so because you acknowledge that Rakim is the originator of the flow that dudes like Nas and Mobb Deep are using.
I didn't think Jigga was referring to women when he spoke of "vultures," I thought he was speaking of the shady music industry.
You are definitely right about the whole dissing women thing, almost all rappers do it...but I don't buy it...I just criticize it in threads such as this I still say that folks are giving Jay Z too much props, of course commercial sells, that's why I'm not mad at him. But, you're acknowledging that there's no difference b/w him and the hungry cats that have been holding down the underground scene and/or can't seem to make it----my point exactly, it's not that Jay Z's so great, it's the fact that he's made it. Again, YOUR MIC IS ON BOBBY EARL, and I'm not mad at Jay Z for making it...I'm just skeptical of the whole "we run this hip hop game" thing.
Now, by NO MEANS is Nas in charge, either...but's it's the equivalent of the cashier and the burger flipper arguiing over who's the most valuable---until one of ya'll really becomes the manager or owns your own franchise hush it up. Yeah, yeah, I know about Roc A Fella and all, but he's not owning anything yet.

Originally posted by Bobby Earl



MIKE CHECK ONE TWO ONE TWO... is this thing on?

I compared NAS to RAKIM because I see similiarity in their style. However, RAKIM knew how to get an MC's foot off his neck. So I guess you are right, RAKIM is the undisputed champion.

LAST TIME I CHECKED, commercials sell. There are Kats on the streets who can freestyle with the best of them. There are Kats on the streets that can hoop with the best of them. But people don't wanna hear or see those Kats, they wanna hear this COMMERCIAL flow that you speak of. Yes, HOVE disrespects women. WHAT, NAS DOESN'T? They are both wrong for doing it. Nevertheless, there are women out there who are out to stick rappers for their bread. Hence the phrase, "Let me show you how to walk into a room full of vultures." And even though all women are not like that, that doesn't mean you can't address the ones who are. I do agree that JIGGA should start addressing the ones who are not vultures as well. (Can't see um comin down my eyes, so I gotta let this song cry). I never heard JIGGA say that he treats ALL women like that. Second, yes I chose the RENEGADE song because Jigga's flow is tight. I see a lot of genius in it. True, Eminem was nicer on that song.. so what. NAS was garbage on the uchiwali (spelling) song. Forest Gump could have flowed better than that. His body guard protects people for a living and he was better than the TEN YEAR VETERAN. Who cares if you rap for ten years, if you are puttin out weak sh_ every 5 years. Matter of fact, how can you see that there are no tight verses on the blueprint? Here is the big picture. Last time I checked NAS does not have a RECORD COMPANY. JIGGA owns the blueprint to BLUEPRINT. That is what matters. I guess that's why JIGGA told NAS to "Go play somewhere!"


CHAOSDST please don't take what I said personal. I haven't posted in a minute. Last time I checked, people are awfully sensitive in this camp, so I don't intentionally wanna get anyone upset. It's just a discussion... aight? I don't want CHAOS up in here .

Hello to you too, by the way.

[OneOneTwo]

Who owns Roc-A-Fella Records LLC? Hmm let's find out...
1... 2... 3... well almost three entities own Roc-A-Fella Records LLC?

The Island Def Jam of Universal Vinvendi (?) owns 50% (possibly more since they put ALOT into the company)...
Damon Dash, Jay-Z and Kareem (?) Briggs collectively own the other 50%... the question is how do we know that they own the other half equally? For all you know, Jay-Z may own less than 16.666% of Roc-A-Fella and if that is the case, he wouldn't be making any more money being the co-owner of the company ANYWAY. My arguement is that if Nas owns Ill Will Records outright, then Jay-Z must sell a whole lot of records to even MATCH what Nas will make on selling 500,000 (gold). Ownership is in the masters and my bet is that Damon n dem (like Suge when he first started out) does not have a firm grip on them either. I know that Nas doesn't own his, but then again, he's never made that claim either.

In this industry, producers like Timbaland and Neptunes can take up to 4% (and sometimes more, you would be surprised) of an album's earnings. So when you think about how much producers (cause that's ALWAYS been what has made Jay-Z hot, not his lyrics) take out of the albums, it won't matter how much Jay-Z owns of Roc-A-Fella Records because when it's all over with, he could probably end of owing money on records. That's usually what happens.

So as far as Jay-Z owning his own company, the question is does he really. Just because HE says he does doesn't make it so. Remember, you can be paid/pimped to say anything.

Now if he was a model for his clothing line, then yeah... wait, no he can't say that either.

Like Cedric the Entertainer and so many have said before, how does one be the best rapper dissing women? The truth is in a battle between men, one should not bring a woman in it NEWAY (whether Jay-Z banged Nas' baby momma doesn't matter in this case). You shouldn't have to bring other folks into your battles and when you take away the beat from "Ether" (which WE ALL KNOW Nas could have did better) Nas still punk Jay-Z where it really matters, true lyrical skills. Nas has rapped on many subjects over the years and whether or not he has sold a lot of records doesn't matter either. Almost every song Jay-Z has ever rapped about (with the exception of Hard Knock Life and maybe one or two others) has been about dissing women or having sex with women or talking about women.

The truth of the matter is NAS dissed JAY-Z...
JAY-Z dissed everyone around NAS and NAS indirectly.

I'll say more later but I got some work to do.

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[straightBOS]

Originally posted by OneOneTwo
Who owns Roc-A-Fella Records LLC? Hmm let's find out...
1... 2... 3... well almost three entities own Roc-A-Fella Records LLC?

The Island Def Jam of Universal Vinvendi (?) owns 50% (possibly more since they put ALOT into the company)...
Damon Dash, Jay-Z and Kareem (?) Briggs collectively own the other 50%... the question is how do we know that they own the other half equally? For all you know, Jay-Z may own less than 16.666% of Roc-A-Fella and if that is the case, he wouldn't be making any more money being the co-owner of the company ANYWAY. My arguement is that if Nas owns Ill Will Records outright, then Jay-Z must sell a whole lot of records to even MATCH what Nas will make on selling 500,000 (gold). Ownership is in the masters and my bet is that Damon n dem (like Suge when he first started out) does not have a firm grip on them either. I know that Nas doesn't own his, but then again, he's never made that claim either.

In this industry, producers like Timbaland and Neptunes can take up to 4% (and sometimes more, you would be surprised) of an album's earnings. So when you think about how much producers (cause that's ALWAYS been what has made Jay-Z hot, not his lyrics) take out of the albums, it won't matter how much Jay-Z owns of Roc-A-Fella Records because when it's all over with, he could probably end of owing money on records. That's usually what happens.

So as far as Jay-Z owning his own company, the question is does he really. Just because HE says he does doesn't make it so. Remember, you can be paid/pimped to say anything.

Now if he was a model for his clothing line, then yeah... wait, no he can't say that either.

Like Cedric the Entertainer and so many have said before, how does one be the best rapper dissing women? The truth is in a battle between men, one should not bring a woman in it NEWAY (whether Jay-Z banged Nas' baby momma doesn't matter in this case). You shouldn't have to bring other folks into your battles and when you take away the beat from "Ether" (which WE ALL KNOW Nas could have did better) Nas still punk Jay-Z where it really matters, true lyrical skills. Nas has rapped on many subjects over the years and whether or not he has sold a lot of records doesn't matter either. Almost every song Jay-Z has ever rapped about (with the exception of Hard Knock Life and maybe one or two others) has been about dissing women or having sex with women or talking about women.

The truth of the matter is NAS dissed JAY-Z...
JAY-Z dissed everyone around NAS and NAS indirectly.

I'll say more later but I got some work to do.

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Um, can I get an Amen?

The sad part is that most people were making up crazy stuff to make Jay look like he was the man. Glad someone set the misconceptions straight.

[ChaosDST]

Appreciate the knowledge, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Originally posted by OneOneTwo
Who owns Roc-A-Fella Records LLC? Hmm let's find out...
1... 2... 3... well almost three entities own Roc-A-Fella Records LLC?

The Island Def Jam of Universal Vinvendi (?) owns 50% (possibly more since they put ALOT into the company)...
Damon Dash, Jay-Z and Kareem (?) Briggs collectively own the other 50%... the question is how do we know that they own the other half equally? For all you know, Jay-Z may own less than 16.666% of Roc-A-Fella and if that is the case, he wouldn't be making any more money being the co-owner of the company ANYWAY. My arguement is that if Nas owns Ill Will Records outright, then Jay-Z must sell a whole lot of records to even MATCH what Nas will make on selling 500,000 (gold). Ownership is in the masters and my bet is that Damon n dem (like Suge when he first started out) does not have a firm grip on them either. I know that Nas doesn't own his, but then again, he's never made that claim either.

In this industry, producers like Timbaland and Neptunes can take up to 4% (and sometimes more, you would be surprised) of an album's earnings. So when you think about how much producers (cause that's ALWAYS been what has made Jay-Z hot, not his lyrics) take out of the albums, it won't matter how much Jay-Z owns of Roc-A-Fella Records because when it's all over with, he could probably end of owing money on records. That's usually what happens.

So as far as Jay-Z owning his own company, the question is does he really. Just because HE says he does doesn't make it so. Remember, you can be paid/pimped to say anything.

Now if he was a model for his clothing line, then yeah... wait, no he can't say that either.

Like Cedric the Entertainer and so many have said before, how does one be the best rapper dissing women? The truth is in a battle between men, one should not bring a woman in it NEWAY (whether Jay-Z banged Nas' baby momma doesn't matter in this case). You shouldn't have to bring other folks into your battles and when you take away the beat from "Ether" (which WE ALL KNOW Nas could have did better) Nas still punk Jay-Z where it really matters, true lyrical skills. Nas has rapped on many subjects over the years and whether or not he has sold a lot of records doesn't matter either. Almost every song Jay-Z has ever rapped about (with the exception of Hard Knock Life and maybe one or two others) has been about dissing women or having sex with women or talking about women.

The truth of the matter is NAS dissed JAY-Z...
JAY-Z dissed everyone around NAS and NAS indirectly.

I'll say more later but I got some work to do.

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