Cut from all Chapters at UGA

[Titchou]

OK, the recs and the grades got you to round 2. They wanted to see what else was there. However, you didn't get you to round 3. You should have been selling yourself. Made your resume come alive to the person. I was chairman of the Relay for Life at my HS and I would like to work with it again. How active is your chapter in that event? I volumteered with the Juvenile Diabetes Foundation in my home town and I know that is your group's philanthropy. What all do you do with/for them? I was in charge of XXX for them.

Etc, etc, etc. This was your downfall. You didn't sell yourself....

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Titchou

OK, the recs and the grades got you to round 2. They wanted to see what else was there. However, you didn't get you to round 3. You should have been selling yourself. Made your resume come alive to the person. I was chairman of the Relay for Life at my HS and I would like to work with it again. How active is your chapter in that event? I volumteered with the Juvenile Diabetes Foundation in my home town and I know that is your group's philanthropy. What all do you do with/for them? I was in charge of XXX for them.

Etc, etc, etc. This was your downfall. You didn't sell yourself....

I know that you have a lot of experience with recruitment, but why are you pretending to know what happened here in a specific case?

UGA is competitive enough that it might come down to something superficial and silly. A friends of mine's daughter got released the year before last, and she was a likeable girl with great high school involvement and a wonderful personality, but she just wasn't very cute. She was released after second, I'd say through absolutely no fault of her own.

There's no real way to know why any particular PNM was released until we've actually met her or done MS.

[pbear19]

I think we all mostly agree that it wasn't necessary for Hartofsec to bring up Titchou's chapter. That wasn't right. But you know what? Neither was this:

Originally Posted by Titchou

OK, the recs and the grades got you to round 2. They wanted to see what else was there. However, you didn't get you to round 3. You should have been selling yourself. [...]

Etc, etc, etc. This was your downfall. You didn't sell yourself....

In any other thread, we'd be tripping all over ourselves trying to tell a PNM that we can't explain to her why she was released. Yet here we have an alumna who is making a very specific point of telling a PNM that she did something wrong. Something that is really quite abstract and that there is absolutely no way of knowing from a couple posts on the internet.

It is absolutely possible for a PNM to be given general advice on how to improve her chances for a second recruitment attempt, without digging into the specifics of why she thinks she was released. It's been done on a gazillion other threads. The kind of uninvited criticism above is a bit harsh, especially when it can be phrased in a more generic way without assuming that this PNM had this particular problem.

[Xidelt]

Besides Gamma Sigma Sigma or SAO, Xi Delta is another option for greek life at uga. It's a local social sorority. They are hosting fall recruitment next week.

[Titchou]

I certainly didn't mean it to come across that way. From her own admission, her involvement/activities are not strong and she simply chit-chatted at the parties. Her recs and grades obviously got her invited back after round 1 but she did nothing to sell herself after that - would could have made a difference. By her own admission she freaked out at every house. I went to Alabama so I know competitive recruitment - you have to have the resume to get in the door and then you have to sell yourself in order to stand out against all the hundreds of others. That would have given her a much better chance.

[gee_ess]

Originally Posted by Titchou

I certainly didn't mean it to come across that way. From her own admission, her involvement/activities are not strong and she simply chit-chatted at the parties. Her recs and grades obviously got her invited back after round 1 but she did nothing to sell herself after that - would could have made a difference. By her own admission she freaked out at every house. I went to Alabama so I know competitive recruitment - you have to have the resume to get in the door and then you have to sell yourself in order to stand out against all the hundreds of others. That would have given her a much better chance.

You have made a good point, but since you are one of us who truly knows the difficulty of SEC recruitment, I think it must also be noted that it isn't always as simple as " you didn't sell yourself". Sometimes you simply get overlooked or your conversations, while perfectly fine, were not enough.

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by Titchou

I certainly didn't mean it to come across that way. From her own admission, her involvement/activities are not strong and she simply chit-chatted at the parties. Her recs and grades obviously got her invited back after round 1 but she did nothing to sell herself after that - would could have made a difference. By her own admission she freaked out at every house. I went to Alabama so I know competitive recruitment - you have to have the resume to get in the door and then you have to sell yourself in order to stand out against all the hundreds of others. That would have given her a much better chance.

And as you also know, many girls are released from recruitment at Alabama, who then go on to pledge sororities that are recolonizing on a campus, like Delta Gamma at Alabama.

If there must be some identifiable (negative) reason that a PNM is released from recruitment (as you have indicated), then why did your recolonizing chapter pledge them?

Originally Posted by Titchou

So, recs - check; grades - check; poise, personality, presentation, reputation -?; activities - ?

Surely ^this is not how you queried the girls who were released from recruitment, who subsequently pledged Delta Gamma following formal recruitment. Your chapter benefited from girls like SECglitter, who were released from rush, but who still wanted to be part of the Greek system.

I think that there are plenty of terrific girls who wind up being released -- many who do nothing specific, or negative, to cause their own release.

I thought GeorgiaGreek offered some great advice -- all the best to SECglitter.

[WhiteDaisy128]

Originally Posted by Hartofsec

And as you also know, many girls are released from recruitment at Alabama, who then go on to pledge sororities that are recolonizing on a campus, like Delta Gamma at Alabama.

If there must be some identifiable (negative) reason that a PNM is released from recruitment (as you have indicated), then why did your recolonizing chapter pledge them?



Surely ^this is not how you queried the girls who were released from recruitment, who subsequently pledged Delta Gamma following formal recruitment. Your chapter benefited from girls like SECglitter, who were released from rush, but who still wanted to be part of the Greek system.

I think that there are plenty of terrific girls who wind up being released -- many who do nothing specific, or negative, to cause their own release.

I thought GeorgiaGreek offered some great advice -- all the best to SECglitter.

Seriously? Are you still stalking Titchou from that other thread?

Nothing to do with SECglitter here, but just for the record, I was part of a colonizing chapter (of DG ironically enough) and over 90% of our pledge class did NOT go through formal recruitment. Of the 10% or so that did, it was pretty split between the girls being released and the girls removing themselves from the process.

Colonies are not just the "left overs" from recruitment -- though, for PNMs that slip through the cracks during formal recruitment, they can be a great way to step into the Greek system.

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by WhiteDaisy128

Seriously? Are you still stalking Titchou from that other thread?

Nothing to do with SECglitter here, but just for the record, I was part of a colonizing chapter (of DG ironically enough) and over 90% of our pledge class did NOT go through formal recruitment. Of the 10% or so that did, it was pretty split between the girls being released and the girls removing themselves from the process.

Colonies are not just the "left overs" from recruitment -- though, for PNMs that slip through the cracks during formal recruitment, they can be a great way to step into the Greek system.

I assume you were not at Alabama -- and I also assume that when your colony formed it was represented by members of all classes (not just freshmen or sophmores who went through formal recruitment that year).

Please note that I had something positive to say about girls released from recruitment -- I was not passing judgement regarding why they were released.

And yes, at Alabama, girls who are released from recruitment can be very important to the launch of a chapter new to campus (especially freshmen). They are interested in joining a sorority, obviously, as otherwise they would not have participated in recruitment.

[pbear19]

Funny. Most threads like this are filled with women explaining to the OP that we can't tell her why she was released. In this thread, the OP specifically said that she knows we can't tell her that, and she's not asking. Yet the thread is filled with women explaining to the OP why she might have been released.

[WhiteDaisy128]

Originally Posted by Hartofsec

I assume you were not at Alabama -- and I also assume that when your colony formed it was represented by members of all classes (not just freshmen or sophmores who went through formal recruitment that year).

Please note that I had something positive to say about girls released from recruitment -- I was not passing judgement regarding why they were released.

And yes, at Alabama, girls who are released from recruitment can be very important to the launch of a chapter new to campus (especially freshmen). They are interested in joining a sorority, obviously, as otherwise they would not have participated in recruitment.

Yes, I was not at Alabama. Yes, my colonizing class was made up of women from all classes. Was the Alabama chapter that just colonized just made up of freshmen?

I know you had positive things to say about the women being released. My beef was that you swoop in this thread and immediately start taking jabs at Titchou as if to continue the tiff in a thread that has been closed. Why in the world was the DG colonization at Alabama brought up in this thread?

[YesNoMaybe]

Originally Posted by Titchou

I certainly didn't mean it to come across that way. From her own admission, her involvement/activities are not strong and she simply chit-chatted at the parties. Her recs and grades obviously got her invited back after round 1 but she did nothing to sell herself after that - would could have made a difference. By her own admission she freaked out at every house. I went to Alabama so I know competitive recruitment - you have to have the resume to get in the door and then you have to sell yourself in order to stand out against all the hundreds of others. That would have given her a much better chance.

I feel so blessed that my Greek system isn't like that. Alabama is such a strong Greek community but it seems so cold (to me) that chapters view people like that before they ever meet them.
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To the OP, your best bet (since you are already on the COB list) is to naturally befriend people in your hall and classes. If they are in a sorority and there are not opportunities for recruitment (like a COB) until next fall then just make sure you are getting involved on campus. If you were nervous with small talk and felt that was part of the problem you can do so many things to help raise your confidence in those situations! If your campus or area has a Toastmakers or other public speaking group, you could look into that. Also taking an acting class or doing improv, talking to someone new every day, and hanging out with outgoing people can help. Try to be a part of a group that has a clear and positive impact on campus too! But most importantly enjoy yourself I can't really think of any specific tips since no one knows why you were released but if you go through the process again you at least know more the second time around! Good luck!

[HQWest]

^^^

and read your posts before hitting send so that your tone (?) comes across....

[HQWest]

[AZTheta]

Hartofsec: you can backpedal and try to put whatever spin you want on what you've posted. It's not working. The bottom line up front is that you've been called out on your isht by numerous GC posters of both genders and from multiple GLOs. You burned your butt, now you get to sit on the blister.

By the way, count me in that group, above. You need to stop. Your condescension is palpable.

to the OP: go get some popcorn and a soda and go sit up in the bleachers for a while. Perhaps the moderator(s) will edit out the offending posts in this thread (since they have a penchant for doing so), and you can come back, and we'll resume.

IBTL.

eta: HQ, xoxoxo to you for that great Panhell reminder.