Cardinal Rule Broken by Our Greek Advisor ;-(

[agzg]

It wouldn't be hard for the OP to verify whether or not the greek advisor is indeed an initiated member of her own organization - AFAIK most NPC groups can verify that through the member-only sections of their inter/national websites. That might lay to rest some of her own fears about this being a member of her group.

As far as figuring out which NPC, well, I'll assume that it's a limited pool. Particularly limited in the sense that this woman is not solely dedicated to Greek Life - I'd imagine there are very few chapters on campus (this is not a U of I or IU situation - they have a dedicated Greek Life staff). Even smaller campuses (for example, my campus had 5 women's groups, and between 4 and 6 men's groups, for NPC and IFC, then two community-based chapters for NPHC women's groups) often have a dedicated Greek Advisor, PLUS a director of student life (which is what it seems this position is).

To be quite honest, I'd sit on the information as long as possible then make a call after I graduated. Sounds douchey, but everyone will know it was you, OP.

It's interesting to me that she doesn't "claim" her NPC sorority yet did not terminate her membership.

[Kevin]

I'd leave it at that then. If she says the NPHC group took her knowing what it was doing and that the proper inquiries were made, then either she lied in the interview, which I think is unlikely since she disclosed the dual membership thing in the first place, or she's telling the truth and there's nothing to worry about here except for the NPC and whether she violated something with them. That, however, is also an issue that just doesn't really need to get dredged up. You're best off leaving things alone.

[MaggieXi]

I'm not sure if this women knows that she broke the rules. Did she say outright that she knew that it was against the rules of an organization? Did she know, act, or omit that the practice is "frowned upon"? If the answer is yes to either of these questions, than there are other issues here. If it's no, and she truly has no idea what she has done rocks the boat in being a member in both organizations (presumably), then that tells you she has little to no understanding of membership in Greek Organizations, which I think would be important for someone in her position.

In any event, I agree with everyone else who has said, if she isn't afraid to share this information, she will continue to share it and get caught by someone else/look like a moron. Or she will get introduced at some conference or meeting and shiz will blow up. Let this one take care of itself. Keep your head down, your mouth shut and watch it unfold until its an appropriate time to speak. If anyone asks why you didn't speak up earlier, you say that you did during the interview process and you were ignored.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Kevin

While it has been established that 1/9 groups definitely has such a prohibition, that's 1/9.

Well, 1/4. The five NPHC fraternities don't come into this equation.

Originally Posted by KDCat

I would think seriously about making an anonymous phone call before you do it.

Originally Posted by MaryPoppins

OP has a lot more to lose than one would expect. As a person who has had to bear the truth when no one wanted to hear it, I can tell you they always shoot the messenger.

I likewise would not start making anoymous calls to any HQs. I think people on the OP's campus will have a good idea who made the call, and I can see it backfiring all kinds of ways.

If, as she told the OP, the NPHC sorority said "okay" (or "we can't stop it," which maybe sounds a little more likely), then I would have to guess there is no issue from the standpoint of the NPHC sorority, and there is no reason to report it to that HQ. The issue, if there is one, would be with the NPC group, which hasn't been identified. And that's if that NPC group has a rule prohibiting joint NPC-NPHC membership.

It is a big deal, but it is a big deal that the OP probably can't do anything about, and as Kevin says, it may be a big deal in terms of how things are typically done but not in terms of actual rule-breaking. We just don't know. If it blows up on its own, then it blows up on its own.

My major concern would be making sure that the Greek Advisor knows what the rules are (whether she broke them or not in her own case) and clearly conveys those rules to others and does what she needs to to see that the rules are followed.

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by MaryPoppins

OP has a lot more to lose than one would expect. As a person who has had to bear the truth when no one wanted to hear it, I can tell you they always shoot the messenger.

Exactly. OP, let it go. Let it go. Let the universe handle this. Get your fingerprints off the situation. Focus on your dual roles right now, and get your mind off the Greek Advisor. Trust me and Ms. Poppins on this one. Sooner or later it'll resolve itself in some fashion. You don't need to mess with this.

Originally Posted by MysticCat

It is a big deal, but it is a big deal that the OP probably can't do anything about, and as Kevin says, it may be a big deal in terms of how things are typically done but not in terms of actual rule-breaking. We just don't know. If it blows up on its own, then it blows up on its own.

My major concern would be making sure that the Greek Advisor knows what the rules are (whether she broke them or not in her own case) and clearly conveys those rules to others and does what she needs to to see that the rules are followed.

Re: the bolded. That's what I was going to write, but MC beat me to it.

Aside to the OP: I enjoyed reading your writing! Actually followed your train of thought and you incorporated adequate details so that I was able to grasp your dilemna/understand the situation. Kudos.

[DubaiSis]

If she's doing a good job in her role, which is bigger than just Greek Advisor, then I'd leave it alone. It's really not your business whether she's breaking any rules in her personal life, and the only problem I would have is if you think she could possibly be advocating on behalf of this type of behavior in collegiates. Although it isn't cool in my opinion to do this, it is true that it gives her an unusual insight to the similarities and differences between the two conferences. Since the rules are not consistent among the NPHC sororities and she has for all intents and purposes rescinded her NPC membership I think the only think you would accomplish is a whole stinkin lot of drama. It would be interesting to see what her NPC would say. Would they potentially want to pull her back into the fold? Having a Greek Advisor among your ranks seems to be kind of a big deal.

[AOII Angel]

If you are worried that she is your sister that broke vows, look her up on your database. You could also look up old yearbooks from her alma mater online. You have her resume. Nothing is that secret. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole, however. You are talking about this woman's life and her career, neither of which you have any standing to question.

[Senusret I]

As her constituent, she absolutely has standing to question her life and career.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

As her constituent, she absolutely has standing to question her life and career.

I agree.

People's personal lives can be challenged for a number of reasons. This is especially the case if your personal life is so attached to your career which is the case for chapter advisors, Greek advisors, Greek Life reps, etc.

[Basket Case]

These posts gave me lots to consider.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Basket Case

Thanks to all for understanding why it's not a straight forward answer and my reasons for bringing this to GC. THANKS GC.

Well....

Good luck to you.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

As her constituent, she absolutely has standing to question her life and career.

Yes, but I think the relationship between the OP and the new Dean is not that simple.

This Dean is essentially faculty, a position of power in an academic setting.

The OP is a student, a subordinate to faculty in an academic setting. The OP, I think, has more to loose if she decides to make an issue out of this. She stands to loose her position on student government, and maybe her degree, and this situation is not worth it.

OP, yes, you sat on the interview committee, and your input was used, but I can assure you that your input, as a student, was not the deciding factor to hiring her. You don't know who this new Dean knew at your school to get hired. You don't know any "back room" politics that often happen when people get hired.

If you decide to be the one to "tell it", and make a stink out of it, you may not just hurt the Dean's career, but who ever gave the final okay to hire her.

You need to realize that you are not just going after the Dean, but anyone else who okay'd her to work at your school. What I'm saying is, there may be more targets that you will hit, not just the Dean.

Like I said OP, you have more to loose than this Dean. LET IT GO!!!

The bottom line: Don't tell!!! If the school does not have a problem with it, the Dean and her NPHC sorority don't have a problem with it, and the NPC may not know, then let it go.

You are stirring up mess.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Yes, but I think the relationship between the OP and the new Dean is not that simple.

This Dean is essentially faculty, a position of power in an academic setting.

The OP is a student, a subordinate to faculty in an academic setting. The OP, I think, has more to loose if she decides to make an issue out of this. She stands to loose her position on student government, and maybe her degree, and this situation is not worth it.

OP, yes, you sat on the interview committee, and your input was used, but I can assure you that your input, as a student, was not the deciding factor to hiring her. You don't know who this new Dean knew at your school to get hired. You don't know any "back room" politics that often happen when people get hired.

If you decide to be the one to "tell it", and make a stink out of it, you may not just hurt the Dean's career, but who ever gave the final okay to hire her.

You need to realize that you are not just going after the Dean, but anyone else who okay'd her to work at your school. What I'm saying is, there may be more targets that you will hit, not just the Dean.

Like I said OP, you have more to loose than this Dean. LET IT GO!!!

The bottom line: Don't tell!!! If the school does not have a problem with it, the Dean and her NPHC sorority don't have a problem with it, and the NPC may not know, then let it go.

You are stirring up mess.

Also, this.

OP is messing not only with this Dean's career, but others as well. Also, when OP goes out into the real world to find a job, is being a busybody whistleblower something she wants to be known for? I really doubt it.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

As her constituent, she absolutely has standing to question her life and career.

Damn straight.

And even though we're not talking "a major moral obligation like child abuse"* - where does it start at an institution with people thinking they can get away with things? We ripped the hell out of the 20 year old guy who bought the Rho Chi shirt for his cousin at Buttface U with his IFC money from Babbleboob U.

If this woman had left out that she got a degree from Bob Jones University but "that isn't who she is anymore" - would that be OK?

*As we all know, comparing someone to Hitler/calling them a Nazi is known as Godwining the thread. What shall we call this sort of statement? Sandusking?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Damn straight.

And even though we're not talking "a major moral obligation like child abuse"* - where does it start at an institution with people thinking they can get away with things? We ripped the hell out of the 20 year old guy who bought the Rho Chi shirt for his cousin at Buttface U with his IFC money from Babbleboob U.

If this woman had left out that she got a degree from Bob Jones University but "that isn't who she is anymore" - would that be OK?

*As we all know, comparing someone to Hitler/calling them a Nazi is known as Godwining the thread. What shall we call this sort of statement? Sandusking?

Since GC NPCers are quick to tell usernames that they cannot join one NPC sorority and then join another NPC sorority/

I am pretty sure most of these GCers would advocate submitting an inquiry to a NHQ if this new Dean claimed to be an initiate of 2 NPC sororities. Those GCers may not recommend a student be the one doing the investigating but they may be in favor of an anonymous (and relatively effortless) membership verification and/or report to an NHQ--or recommending the student hand the task to a nonstudent NPCer. Perhaps those GCers would not believe an NPCer who claims she was given permission to be initiated in 2 NPC sororities 10 years ago. Perhaps those GCers would also grasp why this dishonesty (on the Dean's part) or inconsistency (on the NPC sorority's part if the Dean is telling the truth) may contrast on both a personal and professional level with the Dean's roles at the institution.