Too fat to recruit: or, DePauw, the Sequel

[James]

I would imagine its a catch-22 . . . it probably takes a couple years for your image to catch up with your reality. And of course to change the image you would need to change the reality.

But you can't attract the new members you need because of your image. And you don't want to hide/lose the members that give you the bad image . . . Checkmate.

Originally Posted by DZRose

Speaking from personal experience from someone from a Large SEC school who was in a chapter that struggled for a number of years with "image problems" on campus. Your suggestions, while in theory are wonderful, typically just don't work. We did exactly what you listed above, and the only way we became a successful chapter was to close it, make all the remaining members alumnae, sit recruitment out for a year, then re-colonize. Now we are one of the largest/strongest chapters on campus. If have found, that once a specific chapter reputation has been established on campus, it's near impossible to fight/counteract it.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by DZRose

Speaking from personal experience from someone from a Large SEC school who was in a chapter that struggled for a number of years with "image problems" on campus. Your suggestions, while in theory are wonderful, typically just don't work. We did exactly what you listed above, and the only way we became a successful chapter was to close it, make all the remaining members alumnae, sit recruitment out for a year, then re-colonize. Now we are one of the largest/strongest chapters on campus. If have found, that once a specific chapter reputation has been established on campus, it's near impossible to fight/counteract it.

I am glad you shared this experience, but just because none of my suggestions worked in your chapter's case, does not mean that they can NEVER work in any situation.

James:
No idea why you said checkmate, buddy.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I am glad you shared this experience, but just because none of my suggestions worked in your chapter's case, does not mean that they can NEVER work in any situation.

No, but we can cite tons of examples where they didn't, and none where they did.

[James]

Trapped unable to move and in jeopardy . . . game over so to speak . . .

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I am glad you shared this experience, but just because none of my suggestions worked in your chapter's case, does not mean that they can NEVER work in any situation.

James:
No idea why you said checkmate, buddy.

[James]

I am not in a sorority but know a few girls on them . . anyway I haven't seen this stuff work where formal recruitment is virtually the only way that the sororities get their numbers . . . on chapters where COOR is more important . . . it may work better.

Remember that Formal Recruitment, isn't really recruitment . . .

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

No, but we can cite tons of examples where they didn't, and none where they did.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by James

Trapped unable to move and in jeopardy . . . game over so to speak . . .

No, not really game over.

Why is everyone so obsessed with being right? Can you not handle the fact that someone might have a different opinion than you? Are you that horrified that the way you deal with a certain situation may, indeed, be incorrect?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by James

I am not in a sorority but know a few girls on them . . anyway I haven't seen this stuff work where formal recruitment is virtually the only way that the sororities get their numbers . . . on chapters where COOR is more important . . . it may work better.

Remember that Formal Recruitment, isn't really recruitment . . .

Here's the deal though, James: at the campuses that we're talking about, for the most part formal is the only recruitment.

In the NPC system of recruitment where you use quota and chapter total as a means of leveling the playing field and maximizing girls' opportunities to pledge (which seems like the spirit of it to me), all the chapters are expected to get the number of girls they can during formal recruitment "quota", and the chapter total amount is usually slightly less than four years worth of quota (there are different ways to figure it).

The only groups that COB/COR are the groups who were unable to have quota number of bids accepted during formal recruitment or that are under chapter total even after taking quota in formal.

Basically the very fact that you are COB/CORing at these type campuses contributes to your image/reputation problems since only chapters that didn't get quota in formal are participating and that makes you seem less desirable. With chapter total, it depends on the year. In a year where total was adjusted upwards, a lot of groups will be participating in COR/COB despite having recruited to quota in previous years because it will represent the first opportunity that they can. But in most years, it seems to reflect a membership problem relative to other groups.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

No, not really game over.

Why is everyone so obsessed with being right? Can you not handle the fact that someone might have a different opinion than you? Are you that horrified that the way you deal with a certain situation may, indeed, be incorrect?

I think you're misunderstanding his point, but I could be wrong. He's basically seeing how hard it is to solve the image problem at some campuses. I don't even think he's talking to you particularly.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by James

I would imagine its a catch-22 . . . it probably takes a couple years for your image to catch up with your reality. And of course to change the image you would need to change the reality.

But you can't attract the new members you need because of your image. And you don't want to hide/lose the members that give you the bad image . . . Checkmate.

Do you see what I mean in that context, KathyKD?

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

Do you see what I mean in that context, KathyKD?

I understand the concept but I disagree with the application or the approach to the situation. Agree to disagree.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Haha, not quite. He's an oddball alright. We have the really really white guy that is majoring in Spanish (I don't know why) and who speaks like everything he says is a question. (in spanish)



I agree. I think we are on the same page for the most part. I also don't believe for one second that ANYONE should be asked to stay away from recruitment. However, I do believe that there are ways for some members to be more proactive than to actively rush.

Que?

No, I agree completely.

[Tippiechick]

Shut the hell up already... Enough...

[UGAalum94]

You know if you timed that just right. . .

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

Shut the hell up already... Enough...

hahahahha

[PM_Mama00]

All I've seen in this thread is...

SEC: Blah blah fat girls ruin our reputation and formal recruitment

Normal campuses: Our sisterhood is more important than getting superficial new members.

DONE. Lol see no one has to read the whole thread anymore.