Hazing creates a sense of unity

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I agree with your second point there. Good officers lead through gaining the respect, those who can try to lead through fear. The ones who lead through fear only lead until the followers stop being afraid.

Besides why try to scare, threaten, or harm your sisters or brothers?

Excellent point!

I want to be respected, not feared to have a New Associate as a Brother.

Do We all Associate PM's, of course, and I hope it is with the idea that they will become Initiated Members, not statistics.

There are many reasons that PNMs drop out, GPA, Ditsoids, finances, etc.

But, it is not to say throw pins on them and hope they can make it.

If You as an Active cannot work with them and lead, then whose fault is that?

[Boodleboy322]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I will say that when I went through basic military training I went through what you guys would consider heavy "hazing". Did it bring us closer as a group? Yes it did. Did it teach us to stick together and help each other? Of course. I hated every minute of it while I was going through but now when I talk to guys that were with me we laugh about the shit we had to do. I truely feel a comraderie with those guys that I feel will last a lifetime. Others might disagree, but this is how I feel.

PiKA2001,

There is much truth in your statement. The Fraternal Hazing boom began after World War II when an abundance of veterans were returning back from the war and began utilizing their Montgomery GI Bill. Universities in America prospered as a substantial rise in enrollment was given by the soldiers, sailors, and airmen that helped trigger this boom. They began joining Greek letter organizations. These fellow shipmates, battle buddies, and zoomies began integrating the same type of camaraderie and character development that they were accustomed to in the war. The boom reached a summit around the 60s and 70s. In the 80s and 90s it slowly began to die away. Prior to World War II most GLO rites of passage and indoctrination principles consisted mainly of religious type activities, simple reading, signing or pledge of allegiance ceremonies.

I am a decorated veteran and I am not saying that I condone hazing. On the other hand I am also not denying the value of the lessons, principles, ideals and character development that I learned from my military experience.

Fraternal Regards,

Boodleboy322

[Boodleboy322]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Are many people killed during basic training?

The number of documented deaths related to standard Basic Training and Officer Candidate School are not significant. The number of deaths from soldiers, sailors, and airmen who have provided service before thy self, defended freedom and democracy, and protected the rights of liberty around the world is far too many.

Regards,

Boodleboy322

[jadis96]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

There's a big difference in the way NPC groups recruit and the way that NIC/IFC fraternities recruit. When you pledge an NPC you are intended to stay. We want you to stay because we want you as our sister.

When you pledge a fraternity, often you have to earn your right to stay. Fraternities take larger pledge classes than they intend to initiate.


Different system guys, you may disagree but it's like trying to compare NPHC and NPC... apples to oranges. Thus don't be surprised when many NPC members disagree with your points of view...

I gotta agree on this... we basically said when we gave a bid "we want you to be our sister". While it was easy for the NM to de-pledge it was pretty hard for us to not initate a new member because we had to justify it to our AAB when we had our next formal meeting with them.


As for the comment on scavenger hunts earlier being off limits... we had a big sis scavenger hunt during a week when one of our national consultants was in town. She actually was with us during some of the hunt and when I asked her if she felt like it was okay she said that in her experience most national orgs will be okay with it if there is 1)no cars involved (lessens the chance of an accident) 2) you stay on school property 3) no members of the opposite sex involved 4) no booze.

[bows&toes]

5) no fun

[macallan25]

no kidding.....how about we just sit in a plain white room and hold hands. Or is touching another persin hazing too?

[shinerbock]

No, its ok so long as the touching makes people feel good about themselves.

[kerry4prez]

it's silly to think that hazing is good for your frat. i mean how does making them do jumping jacks become creative for the development of lifelong brothers?

[kerry4prez]

hey did u guys here about those black guys at that school in tx?

[Soul D-Psi-ple]

How about going to do some research of what actually happened in TX and on who was involved instead of saying "those black guys in TX". Your ignorance is showing......

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by kerry4prez

hey did u guys here about those black guys at that school in tx?

Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple

Your ignorance is showing......

That's apparent before you even take a look of the actual content of the post.

[shinerbock]

Hey did we ever find out what happened with those black guyzs in Texas?

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Hey did we ever find out what happened with those black guyzs in Texas?

Weak. Come on now, you can do better then that.

[shinerbock]

Nah, I thought it was funny. One, that the kerry guy made such a dumb statement to begin with, and two, that the soul person acted like it was a personal affront.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Nah, I thought it was funny. One, that the kerry guy made such a dumb statement to begin with, and two, that the soul person acted like it was a personal affront.

Yeah, but it's still not your best material. Step it up.